A day out and more curiosity

I have just returned from a short trip to Carlisle, partially inspired
by the article on the Castle in last year's Bulletin, I have discovered
that the city's Bishop, from 1464, was Richard "Scroope".
Is this just a coincidence or is he related to the Archbishop executed
in 1405 (unique in England and Wales except for Cranmer, whose birthday
this would be)? It would also relate him to Henry Lord Scrope of
Bolton, beheaded at Southampton in 1415.
I will try the usual sources, of course but clergymen, except those fro
noble families, are not usually genealogically significant.

Stephen

You could try a Ph.D thesis produced in the early 1980s at York University by Bridget Vale.

Not sure of the title, but she was working on the Scropes when I was at York in 1981-82.

Regards

Ann

Stephen Lark <smlark@...> wrote:
I have just returned from a short trip to Carlisle, partially inspired
by the article on the Castle in last year's Bulletin, I have discovered
that the city's Bishop, from 1464, was Richard "Scroope".
Is this just a coincidence or is he related to the Archbishop executed
in 1405 (unique in England and Wales except for Cranmer, whose birthday
this would be)? It would also relate him to Henry Lord Scrope of
Bolton, beheaded at Southampton in 1415.
I will try the usual sources, of course but clergymen, except those fro
noble families, are not usually genealogically significant.

Stephen

You could try a Ph.D thesis produced in the early 1980s at York University by Bridget Vale.

Not sure of the title, but she was working on the Scropes when I was at York in 1981-82.

Regards

Ann

Stephen Lark <smlark@...> wrote:
I have just returned from a short trip to Carlisle, partially inspired
by the article on the Castle in last year's Bulletin, I have discovered
that the city's Bishop, from 1464, was Richard "Scroope".
Is this just a coincidence or is he related to the Archbishop executed
in 1405 (unique in England and Wales except for Cranmer, whose birthday
this would be)? It would also relate him to Henry Lord Scrope of
Bolton, beheaded at Southampton in 1415.
I will try the usual sources, of course but clergymen, except those fro
noble families, are not usually genealogically significant.

Thanks, Anne. I have traced them all on Castelli.

Excuse my error in calling Henry Lord Scrope of Bolton when I meant MASHAM. The Baronies both died out; that of Masham in 1517 because the 8th Lord was a Carthusian monk, that of Bolton in 1630 because the 11th Lord (Earl of Sunderland) had no healthy legitimate children but three bastard daughters.

Their common ancestor was Sir William Scrope of Bracewell (1245-1312). Another Scrope was beheaded late in 1399 without trial. Look out for another PP file.

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Stephen

You could try a Ph.D thesis produced in the early 1980s at York University by Bridget Vale.

Not sure of the title, but she was working on the Scropes when I was at York in 1981-82.

Regards

Ann

Stephen Lark <smlark@...> wrote:
I have just returned from a short trip to Carlisle, partially inspired
by the article on the Castle in last year's Bulletin, I have discovered
that the city's Bishop, from 1464, was Richard "Scroope".
Is this just a coincidence or is he related to the Archbishop executed
in 1405 (unique in England and Wales except for Cranmer, whose birthday
this would be)? It would also relate him to Henry Lord Scrope of
Bolton, beheaded at Southampton in 1415.
I will try the usual sources, of course but clergymen, except those fro
noble families, are not usually genealogically significant.