Coronation Day 1483

Today is the anniversary of the coronation of King Richard III and
Queen Anne. July 6th 1483.
Party time everyone. Celebrate and have a flagon or two in memory of
the day!
God Save The King!



"The good reputation of his private life and public activities
powerfully attracted the esteem of strangers". - Dominic Mancini,
Report, 1483

I trust to God, by Michaelmas, the king shall be in London. He
contents the people where he goes best that ever did prince, for many
a poor man hath suffered wrong many days, hath been relieved and
helped by him, and his commands on his progress. An in many great
cities and towns were great sums of money given to him, which he hath
refused. On my troth, I never liked the condition of any prince so
well as his. God hath sent him to us for the weal of us all. - Christ
Church Letters - Thomas Langston, Bishop of St. Davidýs to the Prior
of Christ Church - September 1483

The most famous prince of blessed memory".- City of York Records, 1485


"a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"

The Michigan Area Chapter is having its Annual Coronation Banquet
this evening and will hoist a flagon or two (or three) to the memory
of Good King Ruchard!

Loyaulte me lie!

Janet

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Today is the anniversary of the coronation of King Richard III
and
> Queen Anne. July 6th 1483.
> Party time everyone. Celebrate and have a flagon or two in memory
of
> the day!
> God Save The King!
>
>
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> "The good reputation of his private life and public activities
> powerfully attracted the esteem of strangers". - Dominic Mancini,
> Report, 1483
>
> I trust to God, by Michaelmas, the king shall be in London. He
> contents the people where he goes best that ever did prince, for
many
> a poor man hath suffered wrong many days, hath been relieved and
> helped by him, and his commands on his progress. An in many great
> cities and towns were great sums of money given to him, which he
hath
> refused. On my troth, I never liked the condition of any prince
so
> well as his. God hath sent him to us for the weal of us all. -
Christ
> Church Letters - Thomas Langston, Bishop of St. David's to the
Prior
> of Christ Church - September 1483
>
> The most famous prince of blessed memory".- City of York Records,
1485
>
>
> "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
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--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
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> "The good reputation of his private life and public activities
> powerfully attracted the esteem of strangers". - Dominic Mancini,
> Report, 1483
>
> I trust to God, by Michaelmas, the king shall be in London. He
> contents the people where he goes best that ever did prince, for many
> a poor man hath suffered wrong many days, hath been relieved and
> helped by him, and his commands on his progress. An in many great
> cities and towns were great sums of money given to him, which he hath
> refused. On my troth, I never liked the condition of any prince so
> well as his. God hath sent him to us for the weal of us all. - Christ
> Church Letters - Thomas Langston, Bishop of St. David's to the Prior
> of Christ Church - September 1483
>
> The most famous prince of blessed memory".- City of York Records, 1485

Can anyone remember any other monarch being spoken about in such glowing terms as
the above by their contempories. I understand it was a time when making fawning
statements about the reigning king/queen was the order of the day but somehow
comments like the above seem to have the ring of truth about them and of course the one
made in the City of York records was made after Richards death.
>
Eileen
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> "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
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>

Eileen,
Interestingly the Mancini was for foreign eyes, and the Langton was
in a private letter. neither were written for public consumption,
therefore making them both of greater value than any public statement
which could be accused of 'sucking up'.
Paul

On 8 Jul 2006, at 00:21, eileen wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
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>> "The good reputation of his private life and public activities
>> powerfully attracted the esteem of strangers". - Dominic Mancini,
>> Report, 1483
>>
>> I trust to God, by Michaelmas, the king shall be in London. He
>> contents the people where he goes best that ever did prince, for many
>> a poor man hath suffered wrong many days, hath been relieved and
>> helped by him, and his commands on his progress. An in many great
>> cities and towns were great sums of money given to him, which he hath
>> refused. On my troth, I never liked the condition of any prince so
>> well as his. God hath sent him to us for the weal of us all. - Christ
>> Church Letters - Thomas Langston, Bishop of St. David's to the Prior
>> of Christ Church - September 1483
>>
>> The most famous prince of blessed memory".- City of York Records,
>> 1485
>
> Can anyone remember any other monarch being spoken about in such
> glowing terms as
> the above by their contempories. I understand it was a time when
> making fawning
> statements about the reigning king/queen was the order of the day
> but somehow
> comments like the above seem to have the ring of truth about them
> and of course the one
> made in the City of York records was made after Richards death.
>>
> Eileen
>>
>> "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
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"a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen,
> Interestingly the Mancini was for foreign eyes, and the Langton was
> in a private letter. neither were written for public consumption,
> therefore making them both of greater value than any public statement
> which could be accused of 'sucking up'.
> Paul

Yes - and it is in letters like this that we shall find the truth not the sproutings of lying gits
who wrote in the tudor period with their lies, innunedoes and 'some men deemeth'
'common fame' and other such tripe that was written by individuals that were not fit to lick
the boots of a king who strove during his short time as king to help his common people at
a time when this was unusual and went to his death fighting like a man for his crown and
country instead of snivvvling and surrounded by bodyguards like some cowardly wretch
who only got the throne through treachery.

Im feeling better now!

Eileen
>
> On 8 Jul 2006, at 00:21, eileen wrote:


>
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> > <paultrevor@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "The good reputation of his private life and public activities
> >> powerfully attracted the esteem of strangers". - Dominic Mancini,
> >> Report, 1483
> >>
> >> I trust to God, by Michaelmas, the king shall be in London. He
> >> contents the people where he goes best that ever did prince, for many
> >> a poor man hath suffered wrong many days, hath been relieved and
> >> helped by him, and his commands on his progress. An in many great
> >> cities and towns were great sums of money given to him, which he hath
> >> refused. On my troth, I never liked the condition of any prince so
> >> well as his. God hath sent him to us for the weal of us all. - Christ
> >> Church Letters - Thomas Langston, Bishop of St. David's to the Prior
> >> of Christ Church - September 1483
> >>
> >> The most famous prince of blessed memory".- City of York Records,
> >> 1485
> >
> > Can anyone remember any other monarch being spoken about in such
> > glowing terms as
> > the above by their contempories. I understand it was a time when
> > making fawning
> > statements about the reigning king/queen was the order of the day
> > but somehow
> > comments like the above seem to have the ring of truth about them
> > and of course the one
> > made in the City of York records was made after Richards death.
> >>
> > Eileen
> >>
> >> "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
> >>
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--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
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> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@> wrote:
> >
> > Eileen,
> > Interestingly the Mancini was for foreign eyes, and the Langton
was
> > in a private letter. neither were written for public
consumption,
> > therefore making them both of greater value than any public
statement
> > which could be accused of 'sucking up'.
> > Paul
>
> Yes - and it is in letters like this that we shall find the truth
not the sproutings of lying gits
> who wrote in the tudor period with their lies, innunedoes and 'some
men deemeth'
> 'common fame' and other such tripe that was written by individuals
that were not fit to lick
> the boots of a king who strove during his short time as king to
help his common people at
> a time when this was unusual and went to his death fighting like a
man for his crown and
> country instead of snivvvling and surrounded by bodyguards like
some cowardly wretch
> who only got the throne through treachery.
>
> Im feeling better now!
>
> Eileen

Better out than in, as they say. God, I couldn't agree more about the
value of relying on proper primary documentation. This all reminds me
of Anne Sutton and Livia Visser-Fuchs' talk at Cambridge last year,
on the subject of Richard's benefactions to the university. Five
years (I think) AFTER BOSWORTH, Thomas Barowe made a gift towards the
building of the university church, and in return the university
promised (and I wrote this down):-

"that the names of Richard III and Thomas Barowe, our benefactors,
will be recited openly and publicly before the masters who are
teaching . . in every school of the university on specific dates and
times, and ... they will be commended to the devout prayers of the
people by preachers . . . and on every Sunday in perpetuity commend
their souls ... and that on 21 August each year before the full
congregation of lecturers Placebo and Dirige will be sung, . . and
on the next day shall be sung a solemn mass in the same choir for the
souls of King Richard III and Anne his consort, his parents, his
brothers and all his dead servants ... "

Now, doesn't that do you good?

Marie

--- In , "mariewalsh2003" <marie@...> wrote:
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> "that the names of Richard III and Thomas Barowe, our benefactors,
> will be recited openly and publicly before the masters who are
> teaching . . in every school of the university on specific dates and
> times, and ... they will be commended to the devout prayers of the
> people by preachers . . . and on every Sunday in perpetuity commend
> their souls ... and that on 21 August each year before the full
> congregation of lecturers Placebo and Dirige will be sung, . . and
> on the next day shall be sung a solemn mass in the same choir for the
> souls of King Richard III and Anne his consort, his parents, his
> brothers and all his dead servants ... "
>
> Now, doesn't that do you good?
>
> Marie

Yes Marie, exceedingly good. I say God bless Cambridge University, the City of York & all
the good men who stood by their king & died with him. Their names will live forever, well
to me at least - Brackenbury, Catesby, John Kendall, John Howard, Sir John Ferrers, John
Kendall and the names of the many, many more whom I am ignorant of - God Bless them
all!
Eileen
>

On 11 Jul 2006, at 11:46, eileen wrote:

> Yes - and it is in letters like this that we shall find the truth
> not the sproutings of lying gits
> who wrote in the tudor period with their lies, innunedoes and 'some
> men deemeth'
> 'common fame' and other such tripe that was written by individuals
> that were not fit to lick
> the boots of a king who strove during his short time as king to
> help his common people at
> a time when this was unusual and went to his death fighting like a
> man for his crown and
> country instead of snivvvling and surrounded by bodyguards like
> some cowardly wretch
> who only got the throne through treachery.
>
> Im feeling better now!

Good rant! Well said Eileen.
Paul

"a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"

Well perhaps not Catesby Eileen, who tried to get Tudor to take him
on as a servant and was hanged after the fighting for his troubles.
But the rest of them? Definitely. Each and every one of those who
fought and died for Richard will live on for me too.
Paul

On 11 Jul 2006, at 22:28, eileen wrote:

> --- In , "mariewalsh2003"
> <marie@...> wrote:
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>> "that the names of Richard III and Thomas Barowe, our benefactors,
>> will be recited openly and publicly before the masters who are
>> teaching . . in every school of the university on specific dates and
>> times, and ... they will be commended to the devout prayers of the
>> people by preachers . . . and on every Sunday in perpetuity commend
>> their souls ... and that on 21 August each year before the full
>> congregation of lecturers Placebo and Dirige will be sung, . . and
>> on the next day shall be sung a solemn mass in the same choir for the
>> souls of King Richard III and Anne his consort, his parents, his
>> brothers and all his dead servants ... "
>>
>> Now, doesn't that do you good?
>>
>> Marie
>
> Yes Marie, exceedingly good. I say God bless Cambridge University,
> the City of York & all
> the good men who stood by their king & died with him. Their names
> will live forever, well
> to me at least - Brackenbury, Catesby, John Kendall, John Howard,
> Sir John Ferrers, John
> Kendall and the names of the many, many more whom I am ignorant of
> - God Bless them
> all!
> Eileen
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--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
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> Well perhaps not Catesby Eileen, who tried to get Tudor to take him
> on as a servant and was hanged after the fighting for his troubles.

paul

Never knew that paul

Eileen
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I hate to admit it but it was one of the few things Thomas Stanley
did that makes me proud! The bastard deserved it! Thom supervised
the hanging and implemented Catesby's will.
Paul


On 13 Jul 2006, at 22:15, eileen wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
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>> Well perhaps not Catesby Eileen, who tried to get Tudor to take him
>> on as a servant and was hanged after the fighting for his troubles.
>
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