I am curious again

So many of the early UK Prime Ministers were hereditary peers - I
wonder whether any of them fit our definition of "Plantagenet":
descended from one or more of Richard's siblings but not from the
Tudors?

Perhaps some of those who weren't hereditary peers too.

Of cause one of the nineteenth century ones was descended from the Stanleys. I suppose one cannot help one's ancestors. Though that particular nineteenth century Stanley came out in a poor light when I read a biography of Fitzroy, of Beagle's fame and an early Governor of New Zealand.

Helen Rowe


Stephen Lark <smlark@...> wrote:
So many of the early UK Prime Ministers were hereditary peers - I
wonder whether any of them fit our definition of "Plantagenet":
descended from one or more of Richard's siblings but not from the
Tudors?





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Another Stanley descendant was Lord Monteagle, who betrayed the
Gunpowder Plotters to James I, thus saving the King and entire House
of Peers from a flammable end.


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> Of cause one of the nineteenth century ones was descended from
the Stanleys. I suppose one cannot help one's ancestors. Though that
particular nineteenth century Stanley came out in a poor light when
I read a biography of Fitzroy, of Beagle's fame and an early Governor
of New Zealand.
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> Helen Rowe
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> Stephen Lark <smlark@...> wrote:
> So many of the early UK Prime Ministers were hereditary
peers - I
> wonder whether any of them fit our definition of "Plantagenet":
> descended from one or more of Richard's siblings but not from the
> Tudors?
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And after Mary Queen of Scots execution the Catholic claimant to the
English throne was one Ferdinando Stanley, grandson of William the
b***ard.
Glad the Catholic plots failed else William's betrayal of Richard
might have earned his family the throne.
Imagine!
Paul

On 31 Jul 2006, at 17:17, theblackprussian wrote:

> Another Stanley descendant was Lord Monteagle, who betrayed the
> Gunpowder Plotters to James I, thus saving the King and entire House
> of Peers from a flammable end.
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>> Perhaps some of those who weren't hereditary peers too.
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>> Of cause one of the nineteenth century ones was descended from
> the Stanleys. I suppose one cannot help one's ancestors. Though that
> particular nineteenth century Stanley came out in a poor light when
> I read a biography of Fitzroy, of Beagle's fame and an early Governor
> of New Zealand.
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>> Stephen Lark <smlark@...> wrote:
>> So many of the early UK Prime Ministers were hereditary
> peers - I
>> wonder whether any of them fit our definition of "Plantagenet":
>> descended from one or more of Richard's siblings but not from the
>> Tudors?
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--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<smlark@...> wrote:
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> So many of the early UK Prime Ministers were hereditary peers - I
> wonder whether any of them fit our definition of "Plantagenet":
> descended from one or more of Richard's siblings but not from the
> Tudors?

I recall a website showing the descent of Jane Birkin (or Charlotte
Rampling) from Clarence via the Dukes of Bedford. This would give us a
famous current actress, a Prime Minister (Lord John Russell) and a
legendary mathematician (Bertrand Russell). However, I need to find it
again and verify the descent.