Fw: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
Fw: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
2006-10-19 15:19:47
Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th century historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get some serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III movie. That would be great.
Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
A church group here in the States recently did a movie called "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and after 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer for a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message. I know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have but...where there's a will, there's a way!
AmyB
Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
A church group here in the States recently did a movie called "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and after 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer for a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message. I know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have but...where there's a will, there's a way!
AmyB
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
2006-10-21 15:12:13
Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that includes
three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great actors.
It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of the
sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
get monkeys.
I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
Paul
On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
> Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th century
> historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get some
> serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
> movie. That would be great.
> Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and after
> 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
> volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer for
> a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message. I
> know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> AmyB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great actors.
It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of the
sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
get monkeys.
I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
Paul
On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
> Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th century
> historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get some
> serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
> movie. That would be great.
> Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and after
> 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
> volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer for
> a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message. I
> know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> AmyB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
2006-10-23 17:49:34
I have in mind a six movie series. You cannot accurately portray
Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole background
of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
stories are just as colourful?
1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
includes
> three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
> want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
actors.
> It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
the
> sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
> get monkeys.
> I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
>
> > Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
century
> > historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
some
> > serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
> > movie. That would be great.
> > Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> > A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> > "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
after
> > 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
> > volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
for
> > a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message.
I
> > know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> > but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> > AmyB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole background
of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
stories are just as colourful?
1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
includes
> three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
> want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
actors.
> It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
the
> sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
> get monkeys.
> I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
>
> > Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
century
> > historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
some
> > serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
> > movie. That would be great.
> > Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> > A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> > "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
after
> > 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
> > volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
for
> > a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message.
I
> > know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> > but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> > AmyB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
2006-10-23 19:16:09
Close. Mine begins on October 1st 1452 and ends on August 23rd 1485.
5 parts. As it is about Richard once he is dead there is little to
say except what happened to those who survived the day at Bosworth.
Paul
On 23 Oct 2006, at 17:48, theblackprussian wrote:
> I have in mind a six movie series. You cannot accurately portray
> Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole background
> of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
> stories are just as colourful?
>
> 1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
> 2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
> 3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
> 4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
> 5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
> 6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
> Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
>
>
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
> includes
>> three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
>> want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
> actors.
>> It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
> the
>> sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
>> get monkeys.
>> I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
>>
>>> Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
> century
>>> historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
> some
>>> serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
>>> movie. That would be great.
>>> Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
>>> A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
>>> "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
> after
>>> 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
>>> volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
> for
>>> a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message.
> I
>>> know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
>>> but...where there's a will, there's a way!
>>> AmyB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
5 parts. As it is about Richard once he is dead there is little to
say except what happened to those who survived the day at Bosworth.
Paul
On 23 Oct 2006, at 17:48, theblackprussian wrote:
> I have in mind a six movie series. You cannot accurately portray
> Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole background
> of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
> stories are just as colourful?
>
> 1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
> 2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
> 3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
> 4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
> 5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
> 6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
> Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
>
>
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
> includes
>> three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
>> want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
> actors.
>> It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
> the
>> sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
>> get monkeys.
>> I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
>>
>>> Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
> century
>>> historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
> some
>>> serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
>>> movie. That would be great.
>>> Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
>>> A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
>>> "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
> after
>>> 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
>>> volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
> for
>>> a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message.
> I
>>> know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
>>> but...where there's a will, there's a way!
>>> AmyB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
2006-10-23 20:06:40
i think you even need to go back further particularily to ric ii and bolingbroke's usurpation of the throne.
richard de conisburgh/plantagenet was ric2's heir, as was his cousin edmund mortimer, the 5th earl of march. r3's grandpa, rich de conisburgh lost his head because of plotting against the throne. his son, richard of york, was only 3 or 4 years old at the time. this richard of york was the father of e4, r3 and geo d of c. the boys also inherited a claim to the throne via their grandmother, anne mortimer, sister of edmund 5th earl of march.
john of gaunt's son, bolingbroke aka h4 and his heirs took the throne via conquest/usurpation. in was the ineptitude of h6 and the avarice of his illegitimate tudor half brothers that drove r3's father to move to take the throne back to his side of the family by conquest/usurpation.
e4 finished what his dad and older brother didn't do. r3 used politics to put the throne firmly into his hands, until h7's double illegit lineage took it back via politics and conquest. h7's mother margaret beaufort descended from john beaufort illegit son of gaunt and his mistress roet. h7's father was the love child of owen tudor and catherine valois mother of h6.
while battle scenes are exciting and add "colour" to the story. i think the background politics are far more intriguing. but then, i love politics and hate war.
here is e3's line of descent to his gr. grandchildren. well at least the ones i have in my dbase. if anyone notices any errors, please advise me with verified corrections.
1 Edward III Plantagenet 1312 -
.. +Phillipa de Hainault 1311 -
........ 2 Edward Bl. Prince Plantagenet 1330 -
............ +Joan de Kent Plantagenet 1328 -
................... 3 Richard II Plantagenet 1366/67 - 1399/00
....................... +Isabella Valois 1389 -
........ 2 Isabel Plantagenet 1332 -
............ +Enguerrand de Coucy VII 1343 -
................... 3 Philipa de Coucy 1366 - 1411
....................... +Robert de Vere
........ 2 Mary Plantagenet 1334 -
............ +John of Brittany 1339 - 1399
........ 2 Lionel Antwerp Plantagenet 1338 -
............ +Elizabeth de Burgh 1332 -
................... 3 Phillipa Plantagenet 1355 -
....................... +Edmund de Mortimer 1351/52 -
............................. 4 Roger de Mortimer 1374 - 1398
................................. +Eleanor de Holand 1373 - 1413
........ 2 John Gaunt Plantagenet 1339/40 - 1398/99
............ +Marie de St. Hilaire 1340 -
................... 3 Blanche Plantagenet 1360 -
........ *1st Wife of John Gaunt Plantagenet:
............ +Blanche Plantagenet 1345 -
................... 3 Henry Bolingbroke Plantagenet 1366 -
....................... +Mary de Bohun 1370 -
............................. 4 Humphrey Plantagenet 1390 -
................................. +Jacqueline de Wittelsbach 1401 - 1436
............................. *2nd Wife of Humphrey Plantagenet:
................................. +Eleanor Cobham 1400 - 1454
............................. 4 Henry V Lancaster Plantagenet 1387 -
................................. +Catherine Valois 1401 -
............................. 4 John Bedford Plantagenet 1389 - 1435
................................. +Jacquetta de Luxembourg St. Pol 1415 - 1472
................... *2nd Wife of Henry Bolingbroke Plantagenet:
....................... +Joanna Navarre 1370 - 1437
................... 3 Phillipa Plantagenet 1360 -
................... 3 Elizabeth Plantagenet 1364 - 1425
....................... +John Cornwall de Burford
............................. 4 Constance Cornwall de Burford 1404 -
................................. +John FitzAlan 1408 -
................... *2nd Husband of Elizabeth Plantagenet:
....................... +John de Hastings
................... *3rd Husband of Elizabeth Plantagenet:
....................... +John de Holand 1350 -
............................. 4 Constance de Holand 1387 - 1437
................................. +Thomas Mowbray 1385 - 1405
............................. *2nd Husband of Constance de Holand:
................................. +John de Grey 1387 - 1439
............................. 4 Alice de Holand 1392 -
................................. +Richard de Vere 1385 - 1416/17
............................. 4 Richard de Holand 1390 -
............................. 4 [4] John de Holand 1395 -
................................. +[3] Anne Stafford 1403 - 1432
............................. *2nd Wife of [4] John de Holand:
................................. +Anne Montagu 1390 - 1457
............................. 4 Edward de Holand 1399 -
................... 3 John Plantagenet 1365 -
................... 3 Edward Plantagenet 1365 -
................... 3 John II Plantagenet 1365 -
................... 3 Isabel Plantagenet 1365 -
........ *2nd Wife of John Gaunt Plantagenet:
............ +Katherine Roet 1350 - 1403
................... 3 John Beaufort 1371 -
....................... +Margaret de Holand 1385 -
............................. 4 John Beaufort 1404 -
................................. +Margaret Beauchamp 1410 -
............................. *2nd Wife of John Beaufort:
................................. +Mistress
................... 3 Joan Beaufort 1375 - 1440
....................... +Ralph Neville 1364 - 1425
............................. 4 [6] Anne Neville 1410 - 1480
................................. +[5] Humphrey Stafford 1402 - 1460
............................. 4 Katherine Neville 1397 - 1478
................................. +John Mowbray 1392 -
............................. *2nd Husband of Katherine Neville:
................................. +Thomas Strangeways 1395 - 1441/42
............................. *3rd Husband of Katherine Neville:
................................. +John Beaumont 1390 - 1460
............................. *4th Husband of Katherine Neville:
................................. +John Woodville 1445 - 1469
............................. 4 [2] Cecily Neville 1415 - 1495
................................. +[1] Richard Plantagenet 1411 - 1460
............................. 4 Richard Neville 1400 - 1460
................................. +Alice Montagu 1406 - 1462
................... 3 Thomas Beaufort 1375 -
................... 3 Henry Beaufort 1375 -
....................... +Alice FitzAlan 1378 - 1415
............................. 4 Jane Beaufort 1402 -
................................. +Edward Stradling 1398 - 1453
........ *3rd Wife of John Gaunt Plantagenet:
............ +Constance de Castile 1354 - 1393/94
................... 3 Catherine Plantagenet 1371 -
................... 3 John Plantagenet 1371 -
........ 2 Edmund Langley Plantagenet 1341 -
............ +Isabella Infanta de Castile 1361 -
................... 3 Richard de Conisbrough Plantagenet 1376 - 1415
....................... +Anne de Mortimer 1390 - 1411
............................. 4 [1] Richard Plantagenet 1411 - 1460
................................. +[2] Cecily Neville 1415 - 1495
............................. 4 Isabella Plantagenet 1409 -
................................. +Henry Bourchier 1404 -
........ 2 Thomas Woodstock Plantagenet 1353/54 -
............ +Eleanor Bohun
................... 3 Anne Plantagenet 1383 -
....................... +Edmund de Stafford 1377/78 - 1403
............................. 4 [3] Anne Stafford 1403 - 1432
................................. +Edmund de Mortimer 1391 - 1424/25
............................. *2nd Husband of [3] Anne Stafford:
................................. +[4] John de Holand 1395 -
............................. 4 [5] Humphrey Stafford 1402 - 1460
................................. +[6] Anne Neville 1410 - 1480
................... *2nd Husband of Anne Plantagenet:
....................... +William Bourcheir
............................. 4 Eleanor Bourcheir 1417 -
................................. +John Mowbray 1415 - 1461
*Partner of Edward III Plantagenet:
.. +Alice Perrer Perrers
roslyn
theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
I have in mind a six movie series. You cannot accurately portray
Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole background
of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
stories are just as colourful?
1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
includes
> three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
> want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
actors.
> It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
the
> sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
> get monkeys.
> I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
>
> > Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
century
> > historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
some
> > serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
> > movie. That would be great.
> > Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> > A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> > "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
after
> > 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
> > volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
for
> > a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message.
I
> > know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> > but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> > AmyB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
richard de conisburgh/plantagenet was ric2's heir, as was his cousin edmund mortimer, the 5th earl of march. r3's grandpa, rich de conisburgh lost his head because of plotting against the throne. his son, richard of york, was only 3 or 4 years old at the time. this richard of york was the father of e4, r3 and geo d of c. the boys also inherited a claim to the throne via their grandmother, anne mortimer, sister of edmund 5th earl of march.
john of gaunt's son, bolingbroke aka h4 and his heirs took the throne via conquest/usurpation. in was the ineptitude of h6 and the avarice of his illegitimate tudor half brothers that drove r3's father to move to take the throne back to his side of the family by conquest/usurpation.
e4 finished what his dad and older brother didn't do. r3 used politics to put the throne firmly into his hands, until h7's double illegit lineage took it back via politics and conquest. h7's mother margaret beaufort descended from john beaufort illegit son of gaunt and his mistress roet. h7's father was the love child of owen tudor and catherine valois mother of h6.
while battle scenes are exciting and add "colour" to the story. i think the background politics are far more intriguing. but then, i love politics and hate war.
here is e3's line of descent to his gr. grandchildren. well at least the ones i have in my dbase. if anyone notices any errors, please advise me with verified corrections.
1 Edward III Plantagenet 1312 -
.. +Phillipa de Hainault 1311 -
........ 2 Edward Bl. Prince Plantagenet 1330 -
............ +Joan de Kent Plantagenet 1328 -
................... 3 Richard II Plantagenet 1366/67 - 1399/00
....................... +Isabella Valois 1389 -
........ 2 Isabel Plantagenet 1332 -
............ +Enguerrand de Coucy VII 1343 -
................... 3 Philipa de Coucy 1366 - 1411
....................... +Robert de Vere
........ 2 Mary Plantagenet 1334 -
............ +John of Brittany 1339 - 1399
........ 2 Lionel Antwerp Plantagenet 1338 -
............ +Elizabeth de Burgh 1332 -
................... 3 Phillipa Plantagenet 1355 -
....................... +Edmund de Mortimer 1351/52 -
............................. 4 Roger de Mortimer 1374 - 1398
................................. +Eleanor de Holand 1373 - 1413
........ 2 John Gaunt Plantagenet 1339/40 - 1398/99
............ +Marie de St. Hilaire 1340 -
................... 3 Blanche Plantagenet 1360 -
........ *1st Wife of John Gaunt Plantagenet:
............ +Blanche Plantagenet 1345 -
................... 3 Henry Bolingbroke Plantagenet 1366 -
....................... +Mary de Bohun 1370 -
............................. 4 Humphrey Plantagenet 1390 -
................................. +Jacqueline de Wittelsbach 1401 - 1436
............................. *2nd Wife of Humphrey Plantagenet:
................................. +Eleanor Cobham 1400 - 1454
............................. 4 Henry V Lancaster Plantagenet 1387 -
................................. +Catherine Valois 1401 -
............................. 4 John Bedford Plantagenet 1389 - 1435
................................. +Jacquetta de Luxembourg St. Pol 1415 - 1472
................... *2nd Wife of Henry Bolingbroke Plantagenet:
....................... +Joanna Navarre 1370 - 1437
................... 3 Phillipa Plantagenet 1360 -
................... 3 Elizabeth Plantagenet 1364 - 1425
....................... +John Cornwall de Burford
............................. 4 Constance Cornwall de Burford 1404 -
................................. +John FitzAlan 1408 -
................... *2nd Husband of Elizabeth Plantagenet:
....................... +John de Hastings
................... *3rd Husband of Elizabeth Plantagenet:
....................... +John de Holand 1350 -
............................. 4 Constance de Holand 1387 - 1437
................................. +Thomas Mowbray 1385 - 1405
............................. *2nd Husband of Constance de Holand:
................................. +John de Grey 1387 - 1439
............................. 4 Alice de Holand 1392 -
................................. +Richard de Vere 1385 - 1416/17
............................. 4 Richard de Holand 1390 -
............................. 4 [4] John de Holand 1395 -
................................. +[3] Anne Stafford 1403 - 1432
............................. *2nd Wife of [4] John de Holand:
................................. +Anne Montagu 1390 - 1457
............................. 4 Edward de Holand 1399 -
................... 3 John Plantagenet 1365 -
................... 3 Edward Plantagenet 1365 -
................... 3 John II Plantagenet 1365 -
................... 3 Isabel Plantagenet 1365 -
........ *2nd Wife of John Gaunt Plantagenet:
............ +Katherine Roet 1350 - 1403
................... 3 John Beaufort 1371 -
....................... +Margaret de Holand 1385 -
............................. 4 John Beaufort 1404 -
................................. +Margaret Beauchamp 1410 -
............................. *2nd Wife of John Beaufort:
................................. +Mistress
................... 3 Joan Beaufort 1375 - 1440
....................... +Ralph Neville 1364 - 1425
............................. 4 [6] Anne Neville 1410 - 1480
................................. +[5] Humphrey Stafford 1402 - 1460
............................. 4 Katherine Neville 1397 - 1478
................................. +John Mowbray 1392 -
............................. *2nd Husband of Katherine Neville:
................................. +Thomas Strangeways 1395 - 1441/42
............................. *3rd Husband of Katherine Neville:
................................. +John Beaumont 1390 - 1460
............................. *4th Husband of Katherine Neville:
................................. +John Woodville 1445 - 1469
............................. 4 [2] Cecily Neville 1415 - 1495
................................. +[1] Richard Plantagenet 1411 - 1460
............................. 4 Richard Neville 1400 - 1460
................................. +Alice Montagu 1406 - 1462
................... 3 Thomas Beaufort 1375 -
................... 3 Henry Beaufort 1375 -
....................... +Alice FitzAlan 1378 - 1415
............................. 4 Jane Beaufort 1402 -
................................. +Edward Stradling 1398 - 1453
........ *3rd Wife of John Gaunt Plantagenet:
............ +Constance de Castile 1354 - 1393/94
................... 3 Catherine Plantagenet 1371 -
................... 3 John Plantagenet 1371 -
........ 2 Edmund Langley Plantagenet 1341 -
............ +Isabella Infanta de Castile 1361 -
................... 3 Richard de Conisbrough Plantagenet 1376 - 1415
....................... +Anne de Mortimer 1390 - 1411
............................. 4 [1] Richard Plantagenet 1411 - 1460
................................. +[2] Cecily Neville 1415 - 1495
............................. 4 Isabella Plantagenet 1409 -
................................. +Henry Bourchier 1404 -
........ 2 Thomas Woodstock Plantagenet 1353/54 -
............ +Eleanor Bohun
................... 3 Anne Plantagenet 1383 -
....................... +Edmund de Stafford 1377/78 - 1403
............................. 4 [3] Anne Stafford 1403 - 1432
................................. +Edmund de Mortimer 1391 - 1424/25
............................. *2nd Husband of [3] Anne Stafford:
................................. +[4] John de Holand 1395 -
............................. 4 [5] Humphrey Stafford 1402 - 1460
................................. +[6] Anne Neville 1410 - 1480
................... *2nd Husband of Anne Plantagenet:
....................... +William Bourcheir
............................. 4 Eleanor Bourcheir 1417 -
................................. +John Mowbray 1415 - 1461
*Partner of Edward III Plantagenet:
.. +Alice Perrer Perrers
roslyn
theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
I have in mind a six movie series. You cannot accurately portray
Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole background
of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
stories are just as colourful?
1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
includes
> three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I also
> want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
actors.
> It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
the
> sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts and
> get monkeys.
> I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
>
> > Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
century
> > historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
some
> > serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard III
> > movie. That would be great.
> > Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> > A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> > "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
after
> > 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots of
> > volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
for
> > a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its message.
I
> > know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> > but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> > AmyB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
2006-10-23 21:53:14
--- In , "theblackprussian"
<theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
> I have in mind a six movie series. You cannot accurately portray
> Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole
background
> of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
> stories are just as colourful?
>
> 1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
> 2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
> 3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
> 4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
> 5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
> 6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
> Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
>
> ......... and you would stop in 1541 - WHY?
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@> wrote:
> >
> > Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
> includes
> > three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I
also
> > want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
> actors.
> > It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
> the
> > sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts
and
> > get monkeys.
> > I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
> >
> > > Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
> century
> > > historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
> some
> > > serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard
III
> > > movie. That would be great.
> > > Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> > > A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> > > "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
> after
> > > 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots
of
> > > volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
> for
> > > a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its
message.
> I
> > > know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> > > but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> > > AmyB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > "Richard Liveth Yet!"
> >
>
<theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
> I have in mind a six movie series. You cannot accurately portray
> Richard's options in 1483 without understanding the whole
background
> of the Wars. And why end at Bosworth when the Simnel and Warbeck
> stories are just as colourful?
>
> 1. c1450-1461 (Towton centrepiece)
> 2. 1461-1471 (Barnet centrepiece)
> 3. 1471-1483 (Tewkesbury centrepiece)
> 4. 1483-1485 (Bosworth centrepiece)
> 5. 1485-1487 (Stoke centrepiece)
> 6. 1487-1541 (Ends with the Countess of Salisbury running around
> Tower Green chased by a masked executioner)
>
> ......... and you would stop in 1541 - WHY?
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@> wrote:
> >
> > Well personally I want to do my version properly, and that
> includes
> > three full scale battles, and that takes proper financing. I
also
> > want to do Richard proud, and that would take good to great
> actors.
> > It would also need extensive computer input to recreate some of
> the
> > sets and enlarge the crowds, amongst other things. Pay peanuts
and
> > get monkeys.
> > I think big. Big is what Richard and Richard's story deserves.
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 19 Oct 2006, at 15:08, Amy wrote:
> >
> > > Richard III Society Forum - Discussion area for 15th 16th
> century
> > > historyI really hope you all - Paul, Maria, and Kat - can get
> some
> > > serious attention and backing to make a revisionist Richard
III
> > > movie. That would be great.
> > > Surely you could do it for less than 100 million.
> > > A church group here in the States recently did a movie called
> > > "Facing the Giants" for a budget of 100 thousand dollars and
> after
> > > 2 weeks they had made a million on it. They had lots and lots
of
> > > volunteer actors...and I bet there are many who would volunteer
> for
> > > a revisionist Richard movie because they believe in its
message.
> I
> > > know costumes would be a great expense that they didn't have
> > > but...where there's a will, there's a way!
> > > AmyB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > "Richard Liveth Yet!"
> >
>
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Digest Number 1215
2006-10-23 22:57:27
Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> Close. Mine begins on October 1st 1452 and ends on
August 23rd 1485.
> 5 parts. As it is about Richard once he is dead
there is little to
> say except what happened to those who survived the
day at Bosworth.
That's good then. The more Ricardian scripts out
there, the better the chance one will get made. :)
I intend for mine to be on a grand scale, but short
enough for release in theatres. I know we'd all love
a ten-hour miniseries, but my ambition is to get his
story out to a wide audience, get people thinking
about Richard III as someone other than Shakespeare's
villian. Then, hopefully, people will be inspired to
learn more about him. And more people paying
attention to Ricardian scholars' work can only help
our cause to clear his name!
Take care,
Kat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Audaces Fortuna Juvat
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com
> Close. Mine begins on October 1st 1452 and ends on
August 23rd 1485.
> 5 parts. As it is about Richard once he is dead
there is little to
> say except what happened to those who survived the
day at Bosworth.
That's good then. The more Ricardian scripts out
there, the better the chance one will get made. :)
I intend for mine to be on a grand scale, but short
enough for release in theatres. I know we'd all love
a ten-hour miniseries, but my ambition is to get his
story out to a wide audience, get people thinking
about Richard III as someone other than Shakespeare's
villian. Then, hopefully, people will be inspired to
learn more about him. And more people paying
attention to Ricardian scholars' work can only help
our cause to clear his name!
Take care,
Kat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Audaces Fortuna Juvat
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com
American Branch 2007 of Ricardian Britain
2006-10-24 02:34:40
Dear all,
For years, American Branch member Linda Treybig has
put together an annual summer tour of Ricardian
Britain. She has just e-mailed me the itinerary of
this year's tour, which I've converted to an Adobe
Acrobat file and placed on our website -- there's a
link from our homepage at
http://www.r3.org/
Some of you in Engalnd may look over the itinerary and
see opportunities for transatlantic Ricardian meet-ups
that may not have occurred to Linda. Linda's contact
details are in the Adobe Acrobat file.
For years, American Branch member Linda Treybig has
put together an annual summer tour of Ricardian
Britain. She has just e-mailed me the itinerary of
this year's tour, which I've converted to an Adobe
Acrobat file and placed on our website -- there's a
link from our homepage at
http://www.r3.org/
Some of you in Engalnd may look over the itinerary and
see opportunities for transatlantic Ricardian meet-ups
that may not have occurred to Linda. Linda's contact
details are in the Adobe Acrobat file.
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