Anne St Leger

Does anyone know much about Anne Plantagenet's 2nd daughter, Anne St
Leger? I notice that she was probably about 6 in 1483 and her father
died in November 1483. I'm wondering if perhaps she was brought into
Richard's household at Sheriff Hutton or whether she was raised by her
father's family?

Also another thing I'm wondering about is the reason why Richard tried
to negotiate a marriage between Anne De la Pole with James Duke of
Rothesay (son of James III of Scotland)? Anne was the 2nd daughter of
the Earl of Suffolk and probably about the same age or slightly
younger than Anne St Leger but surely Anne St Leger would have been a
more suitable choice being the daughter of his elderst sister?

--- In , mrm_bell <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone know much about Anne Plantagenet's 2nd daughter, Anne St
> Leger? I notice that she was probably about 6 in 1483 and her father
> died in November 1483. I'm wondering if perhaps she was brought into
> Richard's household at Sheriff Hutton or whether she was raised by
her
> father's family?
>
> Also another thing I'm wondering about is the reason why Richard
tried
> to negotiate a marriage between Anne De la Pole with James Duke of
> Rothesay (son of James III of Scotland)? Anne was the 2nd daughter of
> the Earl of Suffolk and probably about the same age or slightly
> younger than Anne St Leger but surely Anne St Leger would have been a
> more suitable choice being the daughter of his elderst sister?
>
To answer your first question, yes:
Her father died from loss of blood when his head was amputated, he
having been complicit in the Buckingham Rebellion.
Anne is the Ancestress, through her Manners marriage, of the Dukes of
Rutland, Earls of Essex (1661 to date), three Prime Ministers, Bertrand
Russell, John Julius Norwich and possibly an Australian rugby
international. Depending on the Clarence attainder question (even the
Society's Executive differ on this, although Rosemary Horrox promised
to e-mail me conclusively soon), the Dukes of Rutland may be Richard's
heirs. Unlike Richard's other ignificant niece, she was buried in one
piece.
I will refresh my knowledge of the de la Pole's soon for you.

Thanks Stephen. Ok so what happened to Anne St Leger's elder sister
Anne de Holland's ancesters (did she have any children)? ... Sorry
this is getting confusing all these Annes! Anne de Holland was the
elder daughter of Anne Plantagenet and she married Thomas Grey.
Would her descendants not be Richard's heirs?

Sorry, just realised there's been loads of posts recently about her
(Anne de Holland ..of Exeter!).I'll go back and read them!

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , mrm_bell
<no_reply@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know much about Anne Plantagenet's 2nd daughter,
Anne St
> > Leger? I notice that she was probably about 6 in 1483 and her
father
> > died in November 1483. I'm wondering if perhaps she was brought
into
> > Richard's household at Sheriff Hutton or whether she was raised
by
> her
> > father's family?
> >
> > Also another thing I'm wondering about is the reason why Richard
> tried
> > to negotiate a marriage between Anne De la Pole with James Duke
of
> > Rothesay (son of James III of Scotland)? Anne was the 2nd
daughter of
> > the Earl of Suffolk and probably about the same age or slightly
> > younger than Anne St Leger but surely Anne St Leger would have
been a
> > more suitable choice being the daughter of his elderst sister?
> >
> To answer your first question, yes:
> Her father died from loss of blood when his head was amputated, he
> having been complicit in the Buckingham Rebellion.
> Anne is the Ancestress, through her Manners marriage, of the Dukes
of
> Rutland, Earls of Essex (1661 to date), three Prime Ministers,
Bertrand
> Russell, John Julius Norwich and possibly an Australian rugby
> international. Depending on the Clarence attainder question (even
the
> Society's Executive differ on this, although Rosemary Horrox
promised
> to e-mail me conclusively soon), the Dukes of Rutland may be
Richard's
> heirs. Unlike Richard's other ignificant niece, she was buried in
one
> piece.
> I will refresh my knowledge of the de la Pole's soon for you.
>

--- In , mrm_bell
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Stephen. Ok so what happened to Anne St Leger's elder sister
> Anne de Holland's ancesters (did she have any children)? ... Sorry
> this is getting confusing all these Annes! Anne de Holland was the
> elder daughter of Anne Plantagenet and she married Thomas Grey.
> Would her descendants not be Richard's heirs?
>
> Sorry, just realised there's been loads of posts recently about her
> (Anne de Holland ..of Exeter!).I'll go back and read them!
>
No, because there aren't any. She died as a teenager before her half-
sister was born, hence the same forename.
Richard's heir, depending upon Clarence's attainder, is either:
1) Michael, Earl of Loudoun (Jerilderie, NSW) if it doesn't apply or
2) David, Duke of Rutland if it does.

> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , mrm_bell
> <no_reply@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know much about Anne Plantagenet's 2nd daughter,
> Anne St
> > > Leger? I notice that she was probably about 6 in 1483 and her
> father
> > > died in November 1483. I'm wondering if perhaps she was brought
> into
> > > Richard's household at Sheriff Hutton or whether she was raised
> by
> > her
> > > father's family?
> > >
> > > Also another thing I'm wondering about is the reason why
Richard
> > tried
> > > to negotiate a marriage between Anne De la Pole with James Duke
> of
> > > Rothesay (son of James III of Scotland)? Anne was the 2nd
> daughter of
> > > the Earl of Suffolk and probably about the same age or slightly
> > > younger than Anne St Leger but surely Anne St Leger would have
> been a
> > > more suitable choice being the daughter of his elderst sister?
> > >
> > To answer your first question, yes:
> > Her father died from loss of blood when his head was amputated,
he
> > having been complicit in the Buckingham Rebellion.
> > Anne is the Ancestress, through her Manners marriage, of the
Dukes
> of
> > Rutland, Earls of Essex (1661 to date), three Prime Ministers,
> Bertrand
> > Russell, John Julius Norwich and possibly an Australian rugby
> > international. Depending on the Clarence attainder question (even
> the
> > Society's Executive differ on this, although Rosemary Horrox
> promised
> > to e-mail me conclusively soon), the Dukes of Rutland may be
> Richard's
> > heirs. Unlike Richard's other ignificant niece, she was buried in
> one
> > piece.
> > I will refresh my knowledge of the de la Pole's soon for you.
> >
>

Had Anne Holland lived, she would also have had an excellent claim to
be Lancastrian heir.
Her descent from a full and legitimate sister of Henry IV gave her a
better claim than the Beauforts and Tudors. This claim passed to her
Aunt, and her offspring the Earls of Westmoreland, but I don't know
who represents this legitimate Lancastrian line today.

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , mrm_bell
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Stephen. Ok so what happened to Anne St Leger's elder
sister
> > Anne de Holland's ancesters (did she have any children)? ...
Sorry
> > this is getting confusing all these Annes! Anne de Holland was
the
> > elder daughter of Anne Plantagenet and she married Thomas Grey.
> > Would her descendants not be Richard's heirs?
> >
> > Sorry, just realised there's been loads of posts recently about
her
> > (Anne de Holland ..of Exeter!).I'll go back and read them!
> >
> No, because there aren't any. She died as a teenager before her
half-
> sister was born, hence the same forename.
> Richard's heir, depending upon Clarence's attainder, is either:
> 1) Michael, Earl of Loudoun (Jerilderie, NSW) if it doesn't apply or
> 2) David, Duke of Rutland if it does.
>
> > --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> > <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In , mrm_bell
> > <no_reply@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know much about Anne Plantagenet's 2nd daughter,
> > Anne St
> > > > Leger? I notice that she was probably about 6 in 1483 and her
> > father
> > > > died in November 1483. I'm wondering if perhaps she was
brought
> > into
> > > > Richard's household at Sheriff Hutton or whether she was
raised
> > by
> > > her
> > > > father's family?
> > > >
> > > > Also another thing I'm wondering about is the reason why
> Richard
> > > tried
> > > > to negotiate a marriage between Anne De la Pole with James
Duke
> > of
> > > > Rothesay (son of James III of Scotland)? Anne was the 2nd
> > daughter of
> > > > the Earl of Suffolk and probably about the same age or
slightly
> > > > younger than Anne St Leger but surely Anne St Leger would
have
> > been a
> > > > more suitable choice being the daughter of his elderst sister?
> > > >
> > > To answer your first question, yes:
> > > Her father died from loss of blood when his head was amputated,
> he
> > > having been complicit in the Buckingham Rebellion.
> > > Anne is the Ancestress, through her Manners marriage, of the
> Dukes
> > of
> > > Rutland, Earls of Essex (1661 to date), three Prime Ministers,
> > Bertrand
> > > Russell, John Julius Norwich and possibly an Australian rugby
> > > international. Depending on the Clarence attainder question
(even
> > the
> > > Society's Executive differ on this, although Rosemary Horrox
> > promised
> > > to e-mail me conclusively soon), the Dukes of Rutland may be
> > Richard's
> > > heirs. Unlike Richard's other ignificant niece, she was buried
in
> > one
> > > piece.
> > > I will refresh my knowledge of the de la Pole's soon for you.
> > >
> >
>