Fifteenth Century Visual Sources and Costume Research: An Analysis

Here is another example of how hard it is to get 'inside the head' of
another era.
http://www.nachtanz.org/SReed/vishist.html

Bill Barber wrote:

>Here is another example of how hard it is to get 'inside the head' of
>another era.
>http://www.nachtanz.org/SReed/vishist.html
>

Speaking of dress, I seem to remember reading (*where* is what I don't
remember,) that Richard wore his tunic shorter than most, enough to have
drawn comment. Wouldn't that have been considered less modest, as it
would have shown off more leg...along with other parts of him? That
tends to fly in the face of any supposed disfigurement, not to mention
his supposed prudishness.

Gilda

I've heard of comments about Dorset for one wearing his tunic short
to 'shock', but nowhere have I read Richard did. Can you find your
source for this? Can't see it myself.
Paul

On 1 Jan 2007, at 18:03, Gilda Felt wrote:

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> Bill Barber wrote:
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>> Here is another example of how hard it is to get 'inside the head' of
>> another era.
>> http://www.nachtanz.org/SReed/vishist.html
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> Speaking of dress, I seem to remember reading (*where* is what I don't
> remember,) that Richard wore his tunic shorter than most, enough to
> have
> drawn comment. Wouldn't that have been considered less modest, as it
> would have shown off more leg...along with other parts of him? That
> tends to fly in the face of any supposed disfigurement, not to mention
> his supposed prudishness.
>
> Gilda
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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"Richard Liveth Yet!"

I've always been told the the secret to male sartorial success is a
short tunic and a large cod-piece, but surely we shouldn't be that
superficial.

Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
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> I've heard of comments about Dorset for one wearing his tunic short
> to 'shock', but nowhere have I read Richard did. Can you find your
> source for this? Can't see it myself.
> Paul
>
> On 1 Jan 2007, at 18:03, Gilda Felt wrote:
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> >
> > Bill Barber wrote:
> >
> >> Here is another example of how hard it is to get 'inside the head' of
> >> another era.
> >> http://www.nachtanz.org/SReed/vishist.html
> <http://www.nachtanz.org/SReed/vishist.html>
> >>
> >
> > Speaking of dress, I seem to remember reading (*where* is what I don't
> > remember,) that Richard wore his tunic shorter than most, enough to
> > have
> > drawn comment. Wouldn't that have been considered less modest, as it
> > would have shown off more leg...along with other parts of him? That
> > tends to fly in the face of any supposed disfigurement, not to mention
> > his supposed prudishness.
> >
> > Gilda
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> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
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> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
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>

Paul Trevor Bale wrote:

>I've heard of comments about Dorset for one wearing his tunic short
>to 'shock', but nowhere have I read Richard did. Can you find your
>source for this? Can't see it myself.
>Paul
>
##It surprised me, too. I'll try to find the source, though many of my
books are packed for moving so it could take awhile.

Gilda

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>On 1 Jan 2007, at 18:03, Gilda Felt wrote:
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>>Bill Barber wrote:
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>>>Here is another example of how hard it is to get 'inside the head' of
>>>another era.
>>>http://www.nachtanz.org/SReed/vishist.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Speaking of dress, I seem to remember reading (*where* is what I don't
>>remember,) that Richard wore his tunic shorter than most, enough to
>>have
>>drawn comment. Wouldn't that have been considered less modest, as it
>>would have shown off more leg...along with other parts of him? That
>>tends to fly in the face of any supposed disfigurement, not to mention
>>his supposed prudishness.
>>
>>Gilda
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>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>"Richard Liveth Yet!"
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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I've always thought that the best exemplar of that . . . dare I say "dictum"
was Henry VIII!!!



(ROFL!!)



Johanne



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I've always been told the the secret to male sartorial success is a
short tunic and a large cod-piece, but surely we shouldn't be that
superficial.

I wonder what the women said about this stuff in private. Oh, to be a
fly on the wall.

Johanne Tournier wrote:
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> I've always thought that the best exemplar of that . . . dare I say
> "dictum"
> was Henry VIII!!!
>
> (ROFL!!)
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> Johanne
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> [mailto:richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
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> Barber
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> To: richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
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> Subject: Re: Fifteenth Century Visual Sources
> and Costume Research: An Analysis
>
> I've always been told the the secret to male sartorial success is a
> short tunic and a large cod-piece, but surely we shouldn't be that
> superficial.
>
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Bill Barber wrote:

>I wonder what the women said about this stuff in private. Oh, to be a
>fly on the wall.
>
##No kidding. After seeing Henry VIII's armor, it's a wonder any woman
could keep a straight face in his company, especially if the rest of his
wardrobe followed suit.

Gilda

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>Johanne Tournier wrote:
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>>I've always thought that the best exemplar of that . . . dare I say
>>"dictum"
>>was Henry VIII!!!
>>
>>(ROFL!!)
>>
>>Johanne
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~
>>
>>Johanne L. Tournier
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>>~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~
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>>Email - jltournier@ns. sympatico. ca <mailto:jltournier%40ns.sympatico.ca>
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>>~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~
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>>From: richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
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>>[mailto:richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
>><mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill
>>Barber
>>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:47 PM
>>To: richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
>><mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: Fifteenth Century Visual Sources
>>and Costume Research: An Analysis
>>
>>I've always been told the the secret to male sartorial success is a
>>short tunic and a large cod-piece, but surely we shouldn't be that
>>superficial.
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--- In , Bill Barber
<bbarber@...> wrote:
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> I've always been told the the secret to male sartorial success is a
> short tunic and a large cod-piece, but surely we shouldn't be that
> superficial.


It worked well for William Marshal. Eleanor of Aquitaine liked his
profile and became his patroness.

Katy