David Baldwin's "The Lost Prince"

I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin seems to
suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived his "incarceration".
Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come to: Edward
V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped, released or
died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?

An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film about
George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from Shrewsbury's
was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood, descended from
Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.

--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...>
wrote:
>
> I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin seems to
> suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived his "incarceration".
> Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come to: Edward
> V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped, released or
> died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?

Stephen - this book has only recently been published this month. I have done a google
search for it as it sounds interesting - From what I found I think David Baldwin is going for
the story about the old bricklayer who was buried at Eastwell in Kent in 1550 whose name
was Richard Plantagenet and said he was the natural son of Richard lll.

It sounds as if it might be an interesting read. I have not read anything else by this
author. He has written another book about Elizabeht Woodville. Has anyone read this or
anything else by this author?
Eileen


>
> An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film about
> George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from Shrewsbury's
> was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood, descended from
> Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.
>

Thanks. The blurb definitely refers to "Richard, Duke of York,
younger of the Princes in the Tower". This theory - and I hope to
borow it soon - would confirm my thoughts on the subject.

--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin
seems to
> > suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived
his "incarceration".
> > Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come to:
Edward
> > V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped,
released or
> > died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?
>
> Stephen - this book has only recently been published this month. I
have done a google
> search for it as it sounds interesting - From what I found I think
David Baldwin is going for
> the story about the old bricklayer who was buried at Eastwell in
Kent in 1550 whose name
> was Richard Plantagenet and said he was the natural son of Richard
lll.
>
> It sounds as if it might be an interesting read. I have not read
anything else by this
> author. He has written another book about Elizabeht Woodville.
Has anyone read this or
> anything else by this author?
> Eileen
>
>
> >
> > An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film
about
> > George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from
Shrewsbury's
> > was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood, descended
from
> > Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.
> >
>

Baldwin's book on Elizabeth Woodville is a fan letter. He adores her,
so it is difficult to assess anything he writes objectively as he has
such a bias.
Well, before someone says it, don't we all? Mine being to Richard of
course, in case anyone doesn't already know. :-)
Paul

On 10 Mar 2007, at 17:11, eileen wrote:

> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin
>> seems to
>> suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived his
>> "incarceration".
>> Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come to:
>> Edward
>> V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped, released or
>> died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?
>
> Stephen - this book has only recently been published this month. I
> have done a google
> search for it as it sounds interesting - From what I found I think
> David Baldwin is going for
> the story about the old bricklayer who was buried at Eastwell in
> Kent in 1550 whose name
> was Richard Plantagenet and said he was the natural son of Richard
> lll.
>
> It sounds as if it might be an interesting read. I have not read
> anything else by this
> author. He has written another book about Elizabeht Woodville.
> Has anyone read this or
> anything else by this author?
> Eileen
>
>
>>
>> An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film about
>> George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from
>> Shrewsbury's
>> was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood, descended from
>> Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.
>>
>
>
>
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"Richard Liveth Yet!"

--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks. The blurb definitely refers to "Richard, Duke of York,
> younger of the Princes in the Tower". This theory - and I hope to
> borow it soon - would confirm my thoughts on the subject.

Stephen - I would be really interested to hear your thoughts on this particular theory.
Please divulge!
Eileen
>
> --- In , "eileen"
> <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin
> seems to
> > > suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived
> his "incarceration".
> > > Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come to:
> Edward
> > > V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped,
> released or
> > > died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?
> >
> > Stephen - this book has only recently been published this month. I
> have done a google
> > search for it as it sounds interesting - From what I found I think
> David Baldwin is going for
> > the story about the old bricklayer who was buried at Eastwell in
> Kent in 1550 whose name
> > was Richard Plantagenet and said he was the natural son of Richard
> lll.
> >
> > It sounds as if it might be an interesting read. I have not read
> anything else by this
> > author. He has written another book about Elizabeht Woodville.
> Has anyone read this or
> > anything else by this author?
> > Eileen
> >
> >
> > >
> > > An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film
> about
> > > George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from
> Shrewsbury's
> > > was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood, descended
> from
> > > Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.
> > >
> >
>

--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks. The blurb definitely refers to "Richard, Duke of York,
> > younger of the Princes in the Tower". This theory - and I hope to
> > borow it soon - would confirm my thoughts on the subject.
>
> Stephen - I would be really interested to hear your thoughts on
this particular theory.
> Please divulge!
> Eileen

OK, here goes. Edward died of natural causes - we do have adverse
contemporary medical reports on him. Richard of Shrewsbury either:
1)Escaped and died in his in own time somewhere,
2)Escaped to become "Perkin" and was thus executed,
3)Died in the Tower of natural causes.

If Baldwin is a traditionalist anti-Ricardian but believes that
Shrewsbury escaped, he will accuse Richard of murdering Edward but
not Shrewsbury. This would be totally ridiculous - Weir and
historians like Gairdner and Hicks couldn't swallow it because
killing one boy and not the other would be pointless and illogical -
unless Shrewsbury escaped before or during the murder.

If Baldwin is, as the limerick says, a bus and not a tram, he would
point to my options. Just out of interest, Ann Wroe actually gives
the second option a 30% chance.

Stephen.
> >
> > --- In , "eileen"
> > <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> > <stephenmlark@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin
> > seems to
> > > > suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived
> > his "incarceration".
> > > > Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come
to:
> > Edward
> > > > V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped,
> > released or
> > > > died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?
> > >
> > > Stephen - this book has only recently been published this
month. I
> > have done a google
> > > search for it as it sounds interesting - From what I found I
think
> > David Baldwin is going for
> > > the story about the old bricklayer who was buried at Eastwell
in
> > Kent in 1550 whose name
> > > was Richard Plantagenet and said he was the natural son of
Richard
> > lll.
> > >
> > > It sounds as if it might be an interesting read. I have not
read
> > anything else by this
> > > author. He has written another book about Elizabeht
Woodville.
> > Has anyone read this or
> > > anything else by this author?
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film
> > about
> > > > George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from
> > Shrewsbury's
> > > > was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood,
descended
> > from
> > > > Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin
seems to
> > suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived
his "incarceration".
> > Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come to:
Edward
> > V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped,
released or
> > died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?
>
> Stephen - this book has only recently been published this month. I
have done a google
> search for it as it sounds interesting - From what I found I think
David Baldwin is going for
> the story about the old bricklayer who was buried at Eastwell in
Kent in 1550 whose name
> was Richard Plantagenet and said he was the natural son of Richard
lll.
>
> It sounds as if it might be an interesting read. I have not read
anything else by this
> author. He has written another book about Elizabeht Woodville.
Has anyone read this or
> anything else by this author?
> Eileen
>
>
> >
> > An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film
about
> > George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from
Shrewsbury's
> > was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood, descended
from
> > Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.
> >
>
I too have had a look at Amazon and Baldwin seems to believe in
the "bricklayer theory" but rejects the chance of the man being
Richard's son, hence he must be Shrewsbury.

Yesterday, I detailed my theory and the various possibilities that
could follow. It would be interesting to know where Baldwin studied -
hopefully nowhere near the Saxon capital.

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "eileen"
> <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I only discovered itr in a Book Club newsletter today Baldwin
> seems to
> > > suggest that Richard of Shrewsbury somehow survived
> his "incarceration".
> > > Has anyone read this and what other conclusions does he come
to:
> Edward
> > > V murdered or died of natural causes; Shrewsbury escaped,
> released or
> > > died many years later; was he "Warbeck"?
> >
> > Stephen - this book has only recently been published this month.
I
> have done a google
> > search for it as it sounds interesting - From what I found I
think
> David Baldwin is going for
> > the story about the old bricklayer who was buried at Eastwell in
> Kent in 1550 whose name
> > was Richard Plantagenet and said he was the natural son of
Richard
> lll.
> >
> > It sounds as if it might be an interesting read. I have not read
> anything else by this
> > author. He has written another book about Elizabeht Woodville.
> Has anyone read this or
> > anything else by this author?
> > Eileen
> >
> >
> > >
> > > An interesting book title, also applied to the Poliakoff film
> about
> > > George V's youngest son, John. His sister, descended from
> Shrewsbury's
> > > was, of course, later to marry the Earl of Harewood, descended
> from
> > > Shrewsbury's half-sister through the Lumleys.
> > >
> >
> I too have had a look at Amazon and Baldwin seems to believe in
> the "bricklayer theory" but rejects the chance of the man being
> Richard's son, hence he must be Shrewsbury.
>
> Yesterday, I detailed my theory and the various possibilities that
> could follow. It would be interesting to know where Baldwin
studied -
> hopefully nowhere near the Saxon capital.
>
News from the Bulletin: David Baldwin is a Society member who
believes in and expands upon the bricklayer story.