The bones in the urn

The bones in the urn

2007-03-10 17:18:01
eileen
Following on from recent messages concerning these bones - I was just thinking - if the
Abbey ever did allow new investigation/examination of the bones and following on from
that they came to the conclusion these were not the bones of the Princes they would be in
a bit of a pickle as to what to do with them. They could hardly put them back in the urn
and leave them in the Abbey. Recycle them I suppose. Maybe this is one reason, if only a
small one, as to why they will not allow a new examination.
Eileen

Re: [Richard III Society Forum] The bones in the urn

2007-03-10 19:36:58
Gilda Felt
--- eileen <ebatesparrot@...> wrote:

> Following on from recent messages concerning these
> bones - I was just thinking - if the
> Abbey ever did allow new investigation/examination
> of the bones and following on from
> that they came to the conclusion these were not the
> bones of the Princes they would be in
> a bit of a pickle as to what to do with them. They
> could hardly put them back in the urn
> and leave them in the Abbey. Recycle them I
> suppose. Maybe this is one reason, if only a
> small one, as to why they will not allow a new
> examination.
> Eileen
>
I don't see why they couldn't be kept in the Abbey.
There's certainly lots of non-royals buried there. But
I could see them moving them to another spot and, of
course, updating the plaque.

Gilda



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The bones in the urn

2007-03-11 14:38:14
Janet .
I recently read that they can do these new dating tests on teeth. I seem to recall there were teeth in the collectiion of "bones" found in the Tower. Now, maybe it is just me, but testing on a tooth seems less intrusive than testing the actual bones. Especially since these tests do not destroy the tooth the way that carbon dating destroys the bone. And this is a dating test, not a DNA test but it would answer the question of the age of the remains. If they are Roman or something like that then no further tests are needed. Perhaps someone who is "up" on these newer tests could talk to this issue. Im sorry I don't have more concrete info but I seem to remember this was some kind of irradiating procedure.

L.M.L.,
Janet

The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 00:53:58
Angie Flanagan
I've spent the last few months of my life at the mercy of a colicy baby and have been following the chats in silence but...

Funny that you would mention that about the bones....the other night I couldn't sleep and somehow my thoughts turned to the princes and I started to think that if this were a modern day case, with Richard alive and in prison for his "crime," then some young idealist lawyer group would go through all the legal loop holes to get the bodies and do some good modern tests on them and thus the man who gave us blind justice could at last benefit from his own work.

And that, my friend, is a run on sentence, but I mean it, where is the law professor who will assign this to his bright eyed geniuses?!?!

Angie

The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 02:44:32
oregonkaty
--- In , "Angie Flanagan"
<aflanagan7372@...> wrote:
>
> I've spent the last few months of my life at the mercy of a colicy
baby and have been following the chats in silence but...
>
> Funny that you would mention that about the bones....the other
night I couldn't sleep and somehow my thoughts turned to the princes
and I started to think that if this were a modern day case, with
Richard alive and in prison for his "crime," then some young idealist
lawyer group would go through all the legal loop holes to get the
bodies and do some good modern tests on them and thus the man who
gave us blind justice could at last benefit from his own work.
>
> And that, my friend, is a run on sentence, but I mean it, where is
the law professor who will assign this to his bright eyed geniuses?!?!
>
> Angie



The trial of Richard III on the accusation of the murder of his
nephews has been the subject of moot court sessions in law schools.
I once saw a televised version which included some US Supreme Court
Justices, if memory serves me right. An actor dressed as Richard (no
hump) sat at the defendant's table; everyone else was in modern
dress. All sorts of historical testimony and evidence was
introduced, including diagrams of the Tower, and it was very
interesting.

Richard was acquitted.

Katy

The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 02:46:20
oregonkaty
--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@...> wrote:

> The trial of Richard III on the accusation of the murder of his
> nephews has been the subject of moot court sessions in law schools.
> I once saw a televised version which included some US Supreme Court
> Justices, if memory serves me right. An actor dressed as Richard (no
> hump) sat at the defendant's table; everyone else was in modern
> dress. All sorts of historical testimony and evidence was
> introduced, including diagrams of the Tower, and it was very
> interesting.
>
> Richard was acquitted.



Ah, here it is:

http://www.r3.org/trial/index.html

Katy

Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re:The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 02:56:38
Bill Barber
I remember this one. Was there not a similar trial in England?

oregonkaty wrote:
>
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, oregonkaty
> <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> > The trial of Richard III on the accusation of the murder of his
> > nephews has been the subject of moot court sessions in law schools.
> > I once saw a televised version which included some US Supreme Court
> > Justices, if memory serves me right. An actor dressed as Richard (no
> > hump) sat at the defendant's table; everyone else was in modern
> > dress. All sorts of historical testimony and evidence was
> > introduced, including diagrams of the Tower, and it was very
> > interesting.
> >
> > Richard was acquitted.
>
> Ah, here it is:
>
> http://www.r3.org/trial/index.html <http://www.r3.org/trial/index.html>
>
> Katy
>
>



Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re:The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 13:43:33
PattiAnnB
Katy:

Thanks for the link to the trial documentation. Very interesting!

I'm not sure I'd agree that the writings of William Shakespeare could be considered "evidence", although I do agree with the acquittal.

Patti


oregonkaty <[email protected]> wrote:
--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@...> wrote:

> The trial of Richard III on the accusation of the murder of his
> nephews has been the subject of moot court sessions in law schools.
> I once saw a televised version which included some US Supreme Court
> Justices, if memory serves me right. An actor dressed as Richard (no
> hump) sat at the defendant's table; everyone else was in modern
> dress. All sorts of historical testimony and evidence was
> introduced, including diagrams of the Tower, and it was very
> interesting.
>
> Richard was acquitted.

Ah, here it is:

http://www.r3.org/trial/index.html

Katy






[Richard III Society Forum] Re:The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 14:13:14
eileen
--- In , Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
>
> I remember this one. Was there not a similar trial in England?

Yes there was. It was on Channel 4 TV- but I cannot recall watching it.
Eileen
>
> oregonkaty wrote:
> >
> > --- In
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, oregonkaty
> > <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > > The trial of Richard III on the accusation of the murder of his
> > > nephews has been the subject of moot court sessions in law schools.
> > > I once saw a televised version which included some US Supreme Court
> > > Justices, if memory serves me right. An actor dressed as Richard (no
> > > hump) sat at the defendant's table; everyone else was in modern
> > > dress. All sorts of historical testimony and evidence was
> > > introduced, including diagrams of the Tower, and it was very
> > > interesting.
> > >
> > > Richard was acquitted.
> >
> > Ah, here it is:
> >
> > http://www.r3.org/trial/index.html <http://www.r3.org/trial/index.html>
> >
> > Katy
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

[Richard III Society Forum] Re:The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 14:25:25
rgcorris
I recall in the C4 programme Richard was acquitted and that had
Buckingham been in court he would probably have been arrested on the
way out with a view to putting him on trial for the murders.

Richard G


>--- In , "eileen"
> <ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , Bill Barber
> <bbarber@> wrote:
> >
> > I remember this one. Was there not a similar trial in England?
>
> Yes there was. It was on Channel 4 TV- but I cannot recall watching
> it.
> Eileen

Re: The bones in the urn

2007-03-13 15:41:58
Janet T.
Yes. The one in England was the first, IIRC. There is a paperback book of
the transcript of the proceedings.

It is called "The Trial of Richard III" and appeared on Britain's Channel 4
in 1984. The book is published by Alan Sutton Publishing and you can
probably get it through the R III Society.



Janet



Janet M. Trimbath





Re: The bones in the urn

2007-03-15 02:23:49
Angie Flanagan
That is very interesting...but I was thinking of those young watch dog type groups that you always hear about who go in and free a man who has been in prison for fifteen years....seems like they are always using DNA...

Angie

Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re:The bones in the urn

2007-03-15 16:01:08
Paul Trevor Bale
The channel 4 Trial is on the dvd Special edition of Olivier's film
version of Shakespeare's play.
Very long, but at least Richard is acquitted.
Paul


On 13 Mar 2007, at 14:12, eileen wrote:

> --- In , Bill Barber
> <bbarber@...> wrote:
>>
>> I remember this one. Was there not a similar trial in England?
>
> Yes there was. It was on Channel 4 TV- but I cannot recall
> watching it.
> Eileen
>>
>> oregonkaty wrote:
>>>
>>> --- In
>>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, oregonkaty
>>> <no_reply@> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trial of Richard III on the accusation of the murder of his
>>>> nephews has been the subject of moot court sessions in law schools.
>>>> I once saw a televised version which included some US Supreme Court
>>>> Justices, if memory serves me right. An actor dressed as Richard
>>>> (no
>>>> hump) sat at the defendant's table; everyone else was in modern
>>>> dress. All sorts of historical testimony and evidence was
>>>> introduced, including diagrams of the Tower, and it was very
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Richard was acquitted.
>>>
>>> Ah, here it is:
>>>
>>> http://www.r3.org/trial/index.html <http://www.r3.org/trial/
>>> index.html>
>>>
>>> Katy
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>

"Richard Liveth Yet!"

Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re:The bones in the urn

2007-03-15 16:33:58
Gilda Felt
--- Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...>
wrote:

> The channel 4 Trial is on the dvd Special edition of
> Olivier's film
> version of Shakespeare's play.
> Very long, but at least Richard is acquitted.
> Paul
>
I keep hearing that, yet I've never been able to find
one for sale that specifically says the trial is
included. Could you tell me who released the DVD
and/or what the cover looks like? Thanks!

Gilda



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[Richard III Society Forum] Re:The Trial DVD (The bones in the urn)

2007-03-15 17:23:23
rgcorris
Copy available here :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Richard-III-Special-Edition-NEW-
DVD_W0QQitemZ9144586499QQcategoryZ60882QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV
iewItem?hash=item9144586499

Richard G

--- In , Gilda Felt
<gildaevf@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...>
> wrote:
>
> > The channel 4 Trial is on the dvd Special edition of
> > Olivier's film
> > version of Shakespeare's play.
> > Very long, but at least Richard is acquitted.
> > Paul
> >
> I keep hearing that, yet I've never been able to find
> one for sale that specifically says the trial is
> included. Could you tell me who released the DVD
> and/or what the cover looks like? Thanks!
>
> Gilda

[Richard III Society Forum] Re:The Trial DVD (The bones in the urn)

2007-03-15 18:19:55
amertzanis
you don't have to buy it on ebay. It is readily available on all the
usual sites on the web..as long as it states that is the special
edition with Lawrence Olivier then it should contain the trial. I am
not sure about American editions, however




--- In , "rgcorris"
<RSG_Corris@...> wrote:
>
> Copy available here :
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Richard-III-Special-Edition-NEW-
>
DVD_W0QQitemZ9144586499QQcategoryZ60882QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV
> iewItem?hash=item9144586499
>
> Richard G
>
> --- In , Gilda Felt
> <gildaevf@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The channel 4 Trial is on the dvd Special edition of
> > > Olivier's film
> > > version of Shakespeare's play.
> > > Very long, but at least Richard is acquitted.
> > > Paul
> > >
> > I keep hearing that, yet I've never been able to find
> > one for sale that specifically says the trial is
> > included. Could you tell me who released the DVD
> > and/or what the cover looks like? Thanks!
> >
> > Gilda
>

Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re:The Trial DVD (The bones in the

2007-03-15 18:31:55
Gilda Felt
--- rgcorris <RSG_Corris@...> wrote:

> Copy available here :
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Richard-III-Special-Edition-NEW-
>
DVD_W0QQitemZ9144586499QQcategoryZ60882QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV
> iewItem?hash=item9144586499
>
> Richard G
>
Got it. Thanks!

Gilda



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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re:The Trial DVD (The bones in the

2007-03-15 18:56:12
Gilda Felt
--- amertzanis <amertzanis@...> wrote:

>
> you don't have to buy it on ebay. It is readily
> available on all the
> usual sites on the web..as long as it states that is
> the special
> edition with Lawrence Olivier then it should contain
> the trial. I am
> not sure about American editions, however
>
That was the problem. At the sites I checked, none
ever said anything about the trial being included and
I didn't want to take the chance of buying the dvd
only to find it wasn't on there. No offense to
Olivier, but I'm not really interested in seeing the
play.

Gilda



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