White Tower interior floor plans

I`m interested in seeing the White Tower interior floor plans at the
time of the alleged murder of Edward V and his brother. As it`s
impossible for me to get to the building itself, does anyone know how I
can view any such plans? Would they be available on the Internet?

Alan

--- In , "alanth252"
<alanth252@...> wrote:
>
> I`m interested in seeing the White Tower interior floor plans at the
> time of the alleged murder of Edward V and his brother. As it`s
> impossible for me to get to the building itself, does anyone know how I
> can view any such plans? Would they be available on the Internet?
>
> Alan
>
My son and I spent a day at the Tower of London in May, most of it in
the White Tower. According to what we read on the exhibit captions
and the hand-outs, the floor plan of the Tower has changed very little
over the centuries. The top floor was added long after our favorite
era, but generally speaking the Tower has always consisted of large
open floors with temporary wooden partitions that were constructed,
dismantled, and rearranged as needed. Each of the four corner towers
contains a spiral stone staircase that reaches from roof to the
sub-basements, of which there are two levels.

The Tower has always been accessed by a large wooden exterior
staircase that leads up to the main entry at the level of the second
interior floor.

You could probably find a diagram of the interior of the Tower in many
books.

Katy

--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "alanth252"
> <alanth252@> wrote:
> >
> > I`m interested in seeing the White Tower interior floor plans at the
> > time of the alleged murder of Edward V and his brother. As it`s
> > impossible for me to get to the building itself, does anyone know
how I
> > can view any such plans? Would they be available on the Internet?
> >
> > Alan
> >
> My son and I spent a day at the Tower of London in May, most of it in
> the White Tower. According to what we read on the exhibit captions
> and the hand-outs, the floor plan of the Tower has changed very little
> over the centuries. The top floor was added long after our favorite
> era, but generally speaking the Tower has always consisted of large
> open floors with temporary wooden partitions that were constructed,
> dismantled, and rearranged as needed. Each of the four corner towers
> contains a spiral stone staircase that reaches from roof to the
> sub-basements, of which there are two levels.
>
> The Tower has always been accessed by a large wooden exterior
> staircase that leads up to the main entry at the level of the second
> interior floor.
>
> You could probably find a diagram of the interior of the Tower in many
> books.
>
> Katy
>


To be a little more clear, the present roof of the White Tower was
added after RIII's era (quite a while after, though I have forgotten
the date) converting what had previously been the deeply set roof into
the top floor.

Katy

Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to do
is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the subject of
the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which includes
specific interior diagrams of the building.

Alan

--------------------


--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , oregonkaty
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "alanth252"
> > <alanth252@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I`m interested in seeing the White Tower interior floor plans
at the
> > > time of the alleged murder of Edward V and his brother. As it`s
> > > impossible for me to get to the building itself, does anyone
know
> how I
> > > can view any such plans? Would they be available on the
Internet?
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > My son and I spent a day at the Tower of London in May, most of
it in
> > the White Tower. According to what we read on the exhibit
captions
> > and the hand-outs, the floor plan of the Tower has changed very
little
> > over the centuries. The top floor was added long after our
favorite
> > era, but generally speaking the Tower has always consisted of
large
> > open floors with temporary wooden partitions that were
constructed,
> > dismantled, and rearranged as needed. Each of the four corner
towers
> > contains a spiral stone staircase that reaches from roof to the
> > sub-basements, of which there are two levels.
> >
> > The Tower has always been accessed by a large wooden exterior
> > staircase that leads up to the main entry at the level of the
second
> > interior floor.
> >
> > You could probably find a diagram of the interior of the Tower in
many
> > books.
> >
> > Katy
> >
>
>
> To be a little more clear, the present roof of the White Tower was
> added after RIII's era (quite a while after, though I have forgotten
> the date) converting what had previously been the deeply set roof
into
> the top floor.
>
> Katy
>

Why not contact them and ask for recommendations ?

www.hrp.org.uk/TowerOfLondon/

Richard G

--- In , "alanth252"
<alanth252@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to do
> is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the subject of
> the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which includes
> specific interior diagrams of the building.
>
> Alan

Already have, am awaiting reply. In the meantime I thought someone in
the forum could help.

Alan

------------------


--- In , "rgcorris"
<RSG_Corris@...> wrote:
>
> Why not contact them and ask for recommendations ?
>
> www.hrp.org.uk/TowerOfLondon/
>
> Richard G
>
> --- In , "alanth252"
> <alanth252@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to
do
> > is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the
subject of
> > the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which includes
> > specific interior diagrams of the building.
> >
> > Alan
>

--- In , "alanth252"
<alanth252@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to do
> is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the subject of
> the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which includes
> specific interior diagrams of the building.
>
> Alan


I tried to find a plan or diagram of the White Tower online in a quick
search, but nothing came up. I'll bet a more thorough search would
turn one up, though...everything can be found online.

You might have better luck looking for a book on the White Tower, per
se, rather than on the "murders" therein.

When we visited the Tower of London this May, there was a hole cut
into the outer wall of the White Tower to reveal a small stone spiral
staircase within the thickness of the wall. Just a few feet of
it...at the top it disappeared up into rubble fill. The plaque
nearby proclaimed that the bones thought to be those of the murdered
boys had been fond hidden under just such a stairway.

Said stairway was maybe wide enough for a man to use, if he turned
sideways and went slowly. The treads were single triangular slabs of
stone, the risers large rectangular slabs, and I'm sure that like all
the other spiral stairs in the towers, they rested on solid rubble
fill. This particular set was probably for the use of servants.


By the way, the spiral staircase to the upper level of the so-called
Bloody Tower (above the Water Gate now called the Traitor's Gate)
where the boys were supposedly lodged, is a death trap. It is
exceedingly narrow, exceedingly steep, and the steps are both narrow
and irregular. I somehow got off on the wrong foot at the bottom, and
when I reached the step about 1/3 way up which is twice the height of
the preceding ones, I would have had about an inch of tread for my
left foot to support me while I stepped up about 14" or 15" to the
next. I couldn't do it and I couldn't change feet in the narrow shaft
of the stairs, so to my embarrassment I had to make the three or four
people below me back up so I could go back down.

If Richard had wanted to do away with the boys, saying they were
killed in a fall down those stairs would have been sufficient excuse
and totally believable, I think.

Anyway, returning to the "stairs just like these" in the White Tower,
having seen them and the other spiral stairs in the corner towers, it
comes home to me even more that no one could have buried anything
under any of those steps, not even using a jack hammer, during the
course of one night, let alone be done by morning without having left
any trace. Not even under the treads of the wider corner tower
stairs. The slab treads, which must weigh hundreds of pounds, are and
always were, cemented down for stability.

I can hardly think of a place in the White Tower where it would be
less likely, less possible, and less feasible to have hidden two
corpses during a night, except possibly right under the altar of the
Chapel of St John itself. And there were easier, more accessible and
far less public places available. The lowest sub-basement vaults, for
example. They were long since abandoned because they flooded when the
Thames was high. Nice soft muck, easy to dig in, and no one ever
went these. It'd be my choice if I had bodies to bury vs under a
stone staircase that was in daily use.

If any bones were found under any such stairs, they had been there
since the stairs were first constructed.

I posted a photo here in our photo section.


Katy

Many thanks. Wonderful help Katy. Very much appreciated.

Alan

-------------------

--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "alanth252"
> <alanth252@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to
do
> > is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the
subject of
> > the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which includes
> > specific interior diagrams of the building.
> >
> > Alan
>
>
> I tried to find a plan or diagram of the White Tower online in a
quick
> search, but nothing came up. I'll bet a more thorough search would
> turn one up, though...everything can be found online.
>
> You might have better luck looking for a book on the White Tower,
per
> se, rather than on the "murders" therein.
>
> When we visited the Tower of London this May, there was a hole cut
> into the outer wall of the White Tower to reveal a small stone
spiral
> staircase within the thickness of the wall. Just a few feet of
> it...at the top it disappeared up into rubble fill. The plaque
> nearby proclaimed that the bones thought to be those of the murdered
> boys had been fond hidden under just such a stairway.
>
> Said stairway was maybe wide enough for a man to use, if he turned
> sideways and went slowly. The treads were single triangular slabs
of
> stone, the risers large rectangular slabs, and I'm sure that like
all
> the other spiral stairs in the towers, they rested on solid rubble
> fill. This particular set was probably for the use of servants.
>
>
> By the way, the spiral staircase to the upper level of the so-called
> Bloody Tower (above the Water Gate now called the Traitor's Gate)
> where the boys were supposedly lodged, is a death trap. It is
> exceedingly narrow, exceedingly steep, and the steps are both narrow
> and irregular. I somehow got off on the wrong foot at the bottom,
and
> when I reached the step about 1/3 way up which is twice the height
of
> the preceding ones, I would have had about an inch of tread for my
> left foot to support me while I stepped up about 14" or 15" to the
> next. I couldn't do it and I couldn't change feet in the narrow
shaft
> of the stairs, so to my embarrassment I had to make the three or
four
> people below me back up so I could go back down.
>
> If Richard had wanted to do away with the boys, saying they were
> killed in a fall down those stairs would have been sufficient excuse
> and totally believable, I think.
>
> Anyway, returning to the "stairs just like these" in the White
Tower,
> having seen them and the other spiral stairs in the corner towers,
it
> comes home to me even more that no one could have buried anything
> under any of those steps, not even using a jack hammer, during the
> course of one night, let alone be done by morning without having
left
> any trace. Not even under the treads of the wider corner tower
> stairs. The slab treads, which must weigh hundreds of pounds, are
and
> always were, cemented down for stability.
>
> I can hardly think of a place in the White Tower where it would be
> less likely, less possible, and less feasible to have hidden two
> corpses during a night, except possibly right under the altar of the
> Chapel of St John itself. And there were easier, more accessible
and
> far less public places available. The lowest sub-basement vaults,
for
> example. They were long since abandoned because they flooded when
the
> Thames was high. Nice soft muck, easy to dig in, and no one ever
> went these. It'd be my choice if I had bodies to bury vs under a
> stone staircase that was in daily use.
>
> If any bones were found under any such stairs, they had been there
> since the stairs were first constructed.
>
> I posted a photo here in our photo section.
>
>
> Katy
>

sorry to ask, what might seem a silly question, but how do I access this photo??

Any help appreciated.

M

oregonkaty <[email protected]> wrote: --- In , "alanth252"
<alanth252@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to do
> is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the subject of
> the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which includes
> specific interior diagrams of the building.
>
> Alan


I tried to find a plan or diagram of the White Tower online in a quick
search, but nothing came up. I'll bet a more thorough search would
turn one up, though...everything can be found online.

You might have better luck looking for a book on the White Tower, per
se, rather than on the "murders" therein.

When we visited the Tower of London this May, there was a hole cut
into the outer wall of the White Tower to reveal a small stone spiral
staircase within the thickness of the wall. Just a few feet of
it...at the top it disappeared up into rubble fill. The plaque
nearby proclaimed that the bones thought to be those of the murdered
boys had been fond hidden under just such a stairway.

Said stairway was maybe wide enough for a man to use, if he turned
sideways and went slowly. The treads were single triangular slabs of
stone, the risers large rectangular slabs, and I'm sure that like all
the other spiral stairs in the towers, they rested on solid rubble
fill. This particular set was probably for the use of servants.

By the way, the spiral staircase to the upper level of the so-called
Bloody Tower (above the Water Gate now called the Traitor's Gate)
where the boys were supposedly lodged, is a death trap. It is
exceedingly narrow, exceedingly steep, and the steps are both narrow
and irregular. I somehow got off on the wrong foot at the bottom, and
when I reached the step about 1/3 way up which is twice the height of
the preceding ones, I would have had about an inch of tread for my
left foot to support me while I stepped up about 14" or 15" to the
next. I couldn't do it and I couldn't change feet in the narrow shaft
of the stairs, so to my embarrassment I had to make the three or four
people below me back up so I could go back down.

If Richard had wanted to do away with the boys, saying they were
killed in a fall down those stairs would have been sufficient excuse
and totally believable, I think.

Anyway, returning to the "stairs just like these" in the White Tower,
having seen them and the other spiral stairs in the corner towers, it
comes home to me even more that no one could have buried anything
under any of those steps, not even using a jack hammer, during the
course of one night, let alone be done by morning without having left
any trace. Not even under the treads of the wider corner tower
stairs. The slab treads, which must weigh hundreds of pounds, are and
always were, cemented down for stability.

I can hardly think of a place in the White Tower where it would be
less likely, less possible, and less feasible to have hidden two
corpses during a night, except possibly right under the altar of the
Chapel of St John itself. And there were easier, more accessible and
far less public places available. The lowest sub-basement vaults, for
example. They were long since abandoned because they flooded when the
Thames was high. Nice soft muck, easy to dig in, and no one ever
went these. It'd be my choice if I had bodies to bury vs under a
stone staircase that was in daily use.

If any bones were found under any such stairs, they had been there
since the stairs were first constructed.

I posted a photo here in our photo section.

Katy






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Presumably press Photos on left-hand side of page, and go from there.
Haven`t tried it yet.

Alan

-----------------

--- In , marion cheatham
<marioncheatham2003@...> wrote:
>
> sorry to ask, what might seem a silly question, but how do I access
this photo??
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> M
>
> oregonkaty <[email protected]>
wrote: --- In
, "alanth252"
> <alanth252@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to
do
> > is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the
subject of
> > the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which
includes
> > specific interior diagrams of the building.
> >
> > Alan
>
>
> I tried to find a plan or diagram of the White Tower online in a
quick
> search, but nothing came up. I'll bet a more thorough search would
> turn one up, though...everything can be found online.
>
> You might have better luck looking for a book on the White Tower,
per
> se, rather than on the "murders" therein.
>
> When we visited the Tower of London this May, there was a hole cut
> into the outer wall of the White Tower to reveal a small stone
spiral
> staircase within the thickness of the wall. Just a few feet of
> it...at the top it disappeared up into rubble fill. The plaque
> nearby proclaimed that the bones thought to be those of the
murdered
> boys had been fond hidden under just such a stairway.
>
> Said stairway was maybe wide enough for a man to use, if he turned
> sideways and went slowly. The treads were single triangular slabs
of
> stone, the risers large rectangular slabs, and I'm sure that like
all
> the other spiral stairs in the towers, they rested on solid rubble
> fill. This particular set was probably for the use of servants.
>
> By the way, the spiral staircase to the upper level of the so-
called
> Bloody Tower (above the Water Gate now called the Traitor's Gate)
> where the boys were supposedly lodged, is a death trap. It is
> exceedingly narrow, exceedingly steep, and the steps are both
narrow
> and irregular. I somehow got off on the wrong foot at the bottom,
and
> when I reached the step about 1/3 way up which is twice the height
of
> the preceding ones, I would have had about an inch of tread for my
> left foot to support me while I stepped up about 14" or 15" to the
> next. I couldn't do it and I couldn't change feet in the narrow
shaft
> of the stairs, so to my embarrassment I had to make the three or
four
> people below me back up so I could go back down.
>
> If Richard had wanted to do away with the boys, saying they were
> killed in a fall down those stairs would have been sufficient
excuse
> and totally believable, I think.
>
> Anyway, returning to the "stairs just like these" in the White
Tower,
> having seen them and the other spiral stairs in the corner towers,
it
> comes home to me even more that no one could have buried anything
> under any of those steps, not even using a jack hammer, during the
> course of one night, let alone be done by morning without having
left
> any trace. Not even under the treads of the wider corner tower
> stairs. The slab treads, which must weigh hundreds of pounds, are
and
> always were, cemented down for stability.
>
> I can hardly think of a place in the White Tower where it would be
> less likely, less possible, and less feasible to have hidden two
> corpses during a night, except possibly right under the altar of
the
> Chapel of St John itself. And there were easier, more accessible
and
> far less public places available. The lowest sub-basement vaults,
for
> example. They were long since abandoned because they flooded when
the
> Thames was high. Nice soft muck, easy to dig in, and no one ever
> went these. It'd be my choice if I had bodies to bury vs under a
> stone staircase that was in daily use.
>
> If any bones were found under any such stairs, they had been there
> since the stairs were first constructed.
>
> I posted a photo here in our photo section.
>
> Katy
>
>
>
>
>
>
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new Car Finder tool.
>
>
>

Yep! That`s it. Just press Photos and go to Katy`s photo.

---------------


--- In , "alanth252"
<alanth252@...> wrote:
>
> Presumably press Photos on left-hand side of page, and go from
there.
> Haven`t tried it yet.
>
> Alan
>
> -----------------
>
> --- In , marion cheatham
> <marioncheatham2003@> wrote:
> >
> > sorry to ask, what might seem a silly question, but how do I
access
> this photo??
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > M
> >
> > oregonkaty <[email protected]>
> wrote: --- In
> , "alanth252"
> > <alanth252@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have
to
> do
> > > is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the
> subject of
> > > the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which
> includes
> > > specific interior diagrams of the building.
> > >
> > > Alan
> >
> >
> > I tried to find a plan or diagram of the White Tower online in a
> quick
> > search, but nothing came up. I'll bet a more thorough search
would
> > turn one up, though...everything can be found online.
> >
> > You might have better luck looking for a book on the White
Tower,
> per
> > se, rather than on the "murders" therein.
> >
> > When we visited the Tower of London this May, there was a hole
cut
> > into the outer wall of the White Tower to reveal a small stone
> spiral
> > staircase within the thickness of the wall. Just a few feet of
> > it...at the top it disappeared up into rubble fill. The plaque
> > nearby proclaimed that the bones thought to be those of the
> murdered
> > boys had been fond hidden under just such a stairway.
> >
> > Said stairway was maybe wide enough for a man to use, if he
turned
> > sideways and went slowly. The treads were single triangular
slabs
> of
> > stone, the risers large rectangular slabs, and I'm sure that
like
> all
> > the other spiral stairs in the towers, they rested on solid
rubble
> > fill. This particular set was probably for the use of servants.
> >
> > By the way, the spiral staircase to the upper level of the so-
> called
> > Bloody Tower (above the Water Gate now called the Traitor's Gate)
> > where the boys were supposedly lodged, is a death trap. It is
> > exceedingly narrow, exceedingly steep, and the steps are both
> narrow
> > and irregular. I somehow got off on the wrong foot at the
bottom,
> and
> > when I reached the step about 1/3 way up which is twice the
height
> of
> > the preceding ones, I would have had about an inch of tread for
my
> > left foot to support me while I stepped up about 14" or 15" to
the
> > next. I couldn't do it and I couldn't change feet in the narrow
> shaft
> > of the stairs, so to my embarrassment I had to make the three or
> four
> > people below me back up so I could go back down.
> >
> > If Richard had wanted to do away with the boys, saying they were
> > killed in a fall down those stairs would have been sufficient
> excuse
> > and totally believable, I think.
> >
> > Anyway, returning to the "stairs just like these" in the White
> Tower,
> > having seen them and the other spiral stairs in the corner
towers,
> it
> > comes home to me even more that no one could have buried anything
> > under any of those steps, not even using a jack hammer, during
the
> > course of one night, let alone be done by morning without having
> left
> > any trace. Not even under the treads of the wider corner tower
> > stairs. The slab treads, which must weigh hundreds of pounds,
are
> and
> > always were, cemented down for stability.
> >
> > I can hardly think of a place in the White Tower where it would
be
> > less likely, less possible, and less feasible to have hidden two
> > corpses during a night, except possibly right under the altar of
> the
> > Chapel of St John itself. And there were easier, more
accessible
> and
> > far less public places available. The lowest sub-basement
vaults,
> for
> > example. They were long since abandoned because they flooded
when
> the
> > Thames was high. Nice soft muck, easy to dig in, and no one
ever
> > went these. It'd be my choice if I had bodies to bury vs under a
> > stone staircase that was in daily use.
> >
> > If any bones were found under any such stairs, they had been
there
> > since the stairs were first constructed.
> >
> > I posted a photo here in our photo section.
> >
> > Katy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos
> new Car Finder tool.
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In , marion cheatham
<marioncheatham2003@...> wrote:
>
> sorry to ask, what might seem a silly question, but how do I access
this photo??
>
> Any help appreciated.
>


Over on the left-hand side of this screen is a box with Home at the
top, then Messages...further down is Photos. Click on that and our
photo gallery comes up. The stairs are under "Kay's photo."

Katy

--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "alanth252"
> <alanth252@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the info Katy, which does help. Now all I have to
do
> > is find out which books. There are hundreds written on the
subject of
> > the "murders". Maybe someone knows the name of one which includes
> > specific interior diagrams of the building.
> >
> > Alan
>
>
> I tried to find a plan or diagram of the White Tower online in a
quick
> search, but nothing came up. I'll bet a more thorough search would
> turn one up, though...everything can be found online.
>
> You might have better luck looking for a book on the White Tower,
per
> se, rather than on the "murders" therein.
>
> When we visited the Tower of London this May, there was a hole cut
> into the outer wall of the White Tower to reveal a small stone
spiral
> staircase within the thickness of the wall. Just a few feet of
> it...at the top it disappeared up into rubble fill. The plaque
> nearby proclaimed that the bones thought to be those of the murdered
> boys had been fond hidden under just such a stairway.
>
> Said stairway was maybe wide enough for a man to use, if he turned
> sideways and went slowly. The treads were single triangular slabs
of
> stone, the risers large rectangular slabs, and I'm sure that like
all
> the other spiral stairs in the towers, they rested on solid rubble
> fill. This particular set was probably for the use of servants.
>
>
> By the way, the spiral staircase to the upper level of the so-called
> Bloody Tower (above the Water Gate now called the Traitor's Gate)
> where the boys were supposedly lodged, is a death trap. It is
> exceedingly narrow, exceedingly steep, and the steps are both narrow
> and irregular. I somehow got off on the wrong foot at the bottom,
and
> when I reached the step about 1/3 way up which is twice the height
of
> the preceding ones, I would have had about an inch of tread for my
> left foot to support me while I stepped up about 14" or 15" to the
> next. I couldn't do it and I couldn't change feet in the narrow
shaft
> of the stairs, so to my embarrassment I had to make the three or
four
> people below me back up so I could go back down.
>
> If Richard had wanted to do away with the boys, saying they were
> killed in a fall down those stairs would have been sufficient excuse
> and totally believable, I think.
>
The perfect excuse - but never used, which is very interesting.

> Anyway, returning to the "stairs just like these" in the White
Tower,
> having seen them and the other spiral stairs in the corner towers,
it
> comes home to me even more that no one could have buried anything
> under any of those steps, not even using a jack hammer, during the
> course of one night, let alone be done by morning without having
left
> any trace. Not even under the treads of the wider corner tower
> stairs. The slab treads, which must weigh hundreds of pounds, are
and
> always were, cemented down for stability.
>
> I can hardly think of a place in the White Tower where it would be
> less likely, less possible, and less feasible to have hidden two
> corpses during a night, except possibly right under the altar of the
> Chapel of St John itself. And there were easier, more accessible
and
> far less public places available. The lowest sub-basement vaults,
for
> example. They were long since abandoned because they flooded when
the
> Thames was high. Nice soft muck, easy to dig in, and no one ever
> went these. It'd be my choice if I had bodies to bury vs under a
> stone staircase that was in daily use.
>
> If any bones were found under any such stairs, they had been there
> since the stairs were first constructed.
>
> I posted a photo here in our photo section.
>
>
> Katy
>