Richard's (posthumously grown) "beard"

According to the Mid-Anglia Newsletter today, a French medal cast
in1732 by Dassier, Richard is shown with a beard (albeit no hump). In
the same century, Garrick portrayed him thus and Chapman put a beard on
his portrait (1799).

Now the proper portraits I have seen - Castelli is good at hoovering
them up show Richard's father and Clarence with beards but Richard
himself is clean-shaven. There are a lot of official portraits in the
Clarence volume of de Ruvigny, including the titular one.

Most "portraits" of 15th century worthies are fakes from later ages;
the facial hair is a dead giveaway on this, as 15th century men
considered ALL beards, moustaches etc. effeminate. We can therefore
be absolutely certain than Richard shaved.
We therefore have no likenesses of the Duke of York or Warwick, as the
only ones offered anywhere feature moustaches and beards. There's a
supposed pic of Warwick which not only shows him fully bearded but
wearing an outrageous Tudor costume.

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Neville,Richard(1EWarwick)01.jpg

All portraits of 15th c men which may be considered genuine have no
facial hair whatsoever, though I think there's a borderline case which
shows Jocky of Norfolk wearing a Fu Manch 'tache.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard%2C_1st_Duke_of_Norfolk


--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> According to the Mid-Anglia Newsletter today, a French medal cast
> in1732 by Dassier, Richard is shown with a beard (albeit no hump).
In
> the same century, Garrick portrayed him thus and Chapman put a beard
on
> his portrait (1799).
>
> Now the proper portraits I have seen - Castelli is good at hoovering
> them up show Richard's father and Clarence with beards but Richard
> himself is clean-shaven. There are a lot of official portraits in
the
> Clarence volume of de Ruvigny, including the titular one.
>

Was this some sort of reaction to Richard II ?

Richard G

--- In , "theblackprussian"
<theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
> Most "portraits" of 15th century worthies are fakes from later ages;
> the facial hair is a dead giveaway on this, as 15th century men
> considered ALL beards, moustaches etc. effeminate.

Don't know exactly when the fashions changed; sometimes Henry IV is
shown with a goatee, but his son usual has a severe "pudding basin"
cut.

--- In , "rgcorris"
<RSG_Corris@...> wrote:
>
> Was this some sort of reaction to Richard II ?
>
> Richard G
>
> --- In , "theblackprussian"
> <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> >
> > Most "portraits" of 15th century worthies are fakes from later
ages;
> > the facial hair is a dead giveaway on this, as 15th century men
> > considered ALL beards, moustaches etc. effeminate.
>

e4 outlawed long toed pointy shoes, and also stated that the men's tunics must fully cover their bottoms.

i have company this weekend or i'd dig up the exact info.

i do know the french court influenced 16thC fashions and morals. men wore codpieces and unmarried women went about with one or both breasts exposed, including queen elizabeth when she was 60 or 70 years old.



theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
Don't know exactly when the fashions changed; sometimes Henry IV is
shown with a goatee, but his son usual has a severe "pudding basin"
cut.

--- In , "rgcorris"
<RSG_Corris@...> wrote:
>
> Was this some sort of reaction to Richard II ?
>
> Richard G
>
> --- In , "theblackprussian"
> <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> >
> > Most "portraits" of 15th century worthies are fakes from later
ages;
> > the facial hair is a dead giveaway on this, as 15th century men
> > considered ALL beards, moustaches etc. effeminate.
>