Richard's ancient ancestors

So far we have Malcolm III and his ancestors, Ethelred II TWICE (once
through a daughter - thanks, Jacob), Llewellyn Fawr and now some new
ones - the Kings of Leinster plus Strongbow (Earl of Pembroke) (thanks,
Marie), William Marshal and Edmund Crouchback (the last four all
through Philippa of Ulster).

You could go on forever like this. It's estimated that about half the
present population of England are descended from William the
conquerer. Moreover in the middle ages the aristocracy were a pretty
exclusive club related to each other many times over; so pick a noble
from the previous 500 years and the chances are Richard has them in
his familt tree.


--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> So far we have Malcolm III and his ancestors, Ethelred II TWICE
(once
> through a daughter - thanks, Jacob), Llewellyn Fawr and now some new
> ones - the Kings of Leinster plus Strongbow (Earl of Pembroke)
(thanks,
> Marie), William Marshal and Edmund Crouchback (the last four all
> through Philippa of Ulster).
>

--- In , "theblackprussian"
<theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
> You could go on forever like this. It's estimated that about half
the
> present population of England are descended from William the
> conquerer. Moreover in the middle ages the aristocracy were a
pretty
> exclusive club related to each other many times over; so pick a
noble
> from the previous 500 years and the chances are Richard has them in
> his familt tree.
>
> True but these are all ancestors of Richard. Alfred, Malcolm,
Llewellyn Fawr and Brian Boru are probably the greatest figure in
each nation over the 800-1300 era. I haven't tracked down Boru yet
but Marie assures me that he is out there and I am heading in the
right direction.

> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> >
> > So far we have Malcolm III and his ancestors, Ethelred II TWICE
> (once
> > through a daughter - thanks, Jacob), Llewellyn Fawr and now some
new
> > ones - the Kings of Leinster plus Strongbow (Earl of Pembroke)
> (thanks,
> > Marie), William Marshal and Edmund Crouchback (the last four all
> > through Philippa of Ulster).
> >
>

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> So far we have Malcolm III and his ancestors, Ethelred II TWICE (once
> through a daughter - thanks, Jacob), Llewellyn Fawr and now some new
> ones - the Kings of Leinster plus Strongbow (Earl of Pembroke)
(thanks,
> Marie), William Marshal and Edmund Crouchback (the last four all
> through Philippa of Ulster)........
>
......... to whom I can add Ireland's High King, Brian Boruma.

We know that Alfred the Great and his family (Kings of Wessex and later
all England) come into this category. What of the other Heptarchs, such
as:
Edwin of Northumbria (for whom Edinburgh is named)?
Edmund the Martyr and Raedwald of East Anglia (the latter probably
buried at Sutton Hoo)?

I had the impression that the Vikings systemically wiped out the
royal families of each part of England that they conquered, so that
the Wessex royal family were the only ones left - which is how they
came to be the first Kings of a united England. Therefore unless the
other heptarchs were represented in Alfred's ancestry, they are
unlikely to feature among Richard's ancestors.

Richard G

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> We know that Alfred the Great and his family (Kings of Wessex and
later
> all England) come into this category. What of the other Heptarchs,
such
> as:
> Edwin of Northumbria (for whom Edinburgh is named)?
> Edmund the Martyr and Raedwald of East Anglia (the latter probably
> buried at Sutton Hoo)?
>

In many ways that may be logical but were you not told the same about
the Tydders wiping out Plantagenet remnants? If you were a King of
Wessex, your most likely wives would be the sisters and daughters of
the other six Kings.

There must be some good history books on the period with a little
genealogy in, even if the proof is not of modern or even medieval
standard. Having been to Sutton Hoo recently, I am exceptionally
curious as to whether Raedwald is among Richard's ancestors.

--- In , "rgcorris"
<RSG_Corris@...> wrote:
>
> I had the impression that the Vikings systemically wiped out the
> royal families of each part of England that they conquered, so that
> the Wessex royal family were the only ones left - which is how they
> came to be the first Kings of a united England. Therefore unless
the
> other heptarchs were represented in Alfred's ancestry, they are
> unlikely to feature among Richard's ancestors.
>
> Richard G
>
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> >
> > We know that Alfred the Great and his family (Kings of Wessex and
> later
> > all England) come into this category. What of the other
Heptarchs,
> such
> > as:
> > Edwin of Northumbria (for whom Edinburgh is named)?
> > Edmund the Martyr and Raedwald of East Anglia (the latter
probably
> > buried at Sutton Hoo)?
> >
>

BREAKTHROUGH!

Raedwald's brother, Eni, is an ancestor of Egbert's mother, through
his granddaughter's marriage to a King of Kent. Thus two other
Kingdoms are represented in Alfred's ancestry and Raedwald is
Richard's multiple-great-uncle. Watch out for the genealogy tomorrow.

PS Eni's other granddaughters include St. Audrey.

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> In many ways that may be logical but were you not told the same
about
> the Tydders wiping out Plantagenet remnants? If you were a King of
> Wessex, your most likely wives would be the sisters and daughters
of
> the other six Kings.
>
> There must be some good history books on the period with a little
> genealogy in, even if the proof is not of modern or even medieval
> standard. Having been to Sutton Hoo recently, I am exceptionally
> curious as to whether Raedwald is among Richard's ancestors.
>
> --- In , "rgcorris"
> <RSG_Corris@> wrote:
> >
> > I had the impression that the Vikings systemically wiped out the
> > royal families of each part of England that they conquered, so
that
> > the Wessex royal family were the only ones left - which is how
they
> > came to be the first Kings of a united England. Therefore unless
> the
> > other heptarchs were represented in Alfred's ancestry, they are
> > unlikely to feature among Richard's ancestors.
> >
> > Richard G
> >
> > --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> > <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We know that Alfred the Great and his family (Kings of Wessex
and
> > later
> > > all England) come into this category. What of the other
> Heptarchs,
> > such
> > > as:
> > > Edwin of Northumbria (for whom Edinburgh is named)?
> > > Edmund the Martyr and Raedwald of East Anglia (the latter
> probably
> > > buried at Sutton Hoo)?
> > >
> >
>

Tomorrow where ?

Richard G

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> BREAKTHROUGH!
>
> Raedwald's brother, Eni, is an ancestor of Egbert's mother, through
> his granddaughter's marriage to a King of Kent. Thus two other
> Kingdoms are represented in Alfred's ancestry and Raedwald is
> Richard's multiple-great-uncle. Watch out for the genealogy tomorrow.
>
> PS Eni's other granddaughters include St. Audrey.

--- In , "rgcorris"
<RSG_Corris@...> wrote:
>
> Tomorrow where ?
>
> Richard G
>
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> >
> > BREAKTHROUGH!
> >
> > Raedwald's brother, Eni, is an ancestor of Egbert's mother,
through
> > his granddaughter's marriage to a King of Kent. Thus two other
> > Kingdoms are represented in Alfred's ancestry and Raedwald is
> > Richard's multiple-great-uncle. Watch out for the genealogy
tomorrow.
> >
> > PS Eni's other granddaughters include St. Audrey.
>
See under "Files: The Houses of Wuffa and Wessex". It is not up to my
usual presentational standards because a PC/software upgrade has
resulted in the PP organisational chart being changed.

Statistically its estimated that about 50% of people in the English
speaking west are descendents of William the Conquerer. You only
have to conside how many of the nobility in the Wars of the Roses
period (most of them) were descended from Edward III who lived only a
century earlier!
Of course the topic is concerned primarily with direct legitimate
lines, but remember that Henry Tudor based his claim through at least
two illegitimate lines himself.

Since he lived a thousand years earlier than William it's probable
that the vast majority of us are descendants of Jesus, assuming of
course that he was a historical person...

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "rgcorris"
> <RSG_Corris@> wrote:
> >
> > Tomorrow where ?
> >
> > Richard G
> >
> > --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> > <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> > >
> > > BREAKTHROUGH!
> > >
> > > Raedwald's brother, Eni, is an ancestor of Egbert's mother,
> through
> > > his granddaughter's marriage to a King of Kent. Thus two other
> > > Kingdoms are represented in Alfred's ancestry and Raedwald is
> > > Richard's multiple-great-uncle. Watch out for the genealogy
> tomorrow.
> > >
> > > PS Eni's other granddaughters include St. Audrey.
> >
> See under "Files: The Houses of Wuffa and Wessex". It is not up to
my
> usual presentational standards because a PC/software upgrade has
> resulted in the PP organisational chart being changed.
>

--- In , "theblackprussian"
<theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
> Statistically its estimated that about 50% of people in the English
> speaking west are descendents of William the Conquerer. You only
> have to conside how many of the nobility in the Wars of the Roses
> period (most of them) were descended from Edward III who lived only
a
> century earlier!
> Of course the topic is concerned primarily with direct legitimate
> lines, but remember that Henry Tudor based his claim through at
least
> two illegitimate lines himself.
>
> Since he lived a thousand years earlier than William it's probable
> that the vast majority of us are descendants of Jesus, assuming of
> course that he was a historical person...
>
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "rgcorris"
> > <RSG_Corris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tomorrow where ?
> > >
> > > Richard G
> > >
> > > --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> > > <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > BREAKTHROUGH!
> > > >
> > > > Raedwald's brother, Eni, is an ancestor of Egbert's mother,
> > through
> > > > his granddaughter's marriage to a King of Kent. Thus two
other
> > > > Kingdoms are represented in Alfred's ancestry and Raedwald is
> > > > Richard's multiple-great-uncle. Watch out for the genealogy
> > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > PS Eni's other granddaughters include St. Audrey.
> > >
> > See under "Files: The Houses of Wuffa and Wessex". It is not up
to
> my
> > usual presentational standards because a PC/software upgrade has
> > resulted in the PP organisational chart being changed.
> >
>
We do now have ancestors for Richard who were Heptarchs - ancestors
living in England 950 years before his birth. If ever you go to
Sutton Hoo you are probably visiting his multiple-great-uncle
(Raedwald) and, at Ely Cathedral , his multiple great-aunt
(Ethelburga).

Tompsett takes Cerdic back further, apparently to Odin, but I take
Cerdin as the start because he was an immigrant in his own right.
Bringing Jesus into the argument is similarly confusing because I can
see the conspiracy theories about whether or not he had any offspring.

What I have is very secure back to Cerdic and quite secure to Wuffa,
who lived in England and whose descendants married and were the
parents of Egbert.