Tyrell's two Pardons

Hi all,

Re the recent discussion of Sir James Tyrell's two pardons in 1486
(supposedly 16 June and 16 July), I got a library visit today and
checked them out in Cambell's 'Materials'. Interesting.

My hunch proved wrong, and these don't look like copies of the same
pardon with a dating error. Quite the reverse - the two pardons suggest
two entirely different contexts.

They are both general pardons, so probably both political. The 16 June
pardon was granted to him simply as "of Gipping, co. Suff[olk]". There
were three pardons granted on this date, one after the other: to John
Smyth aka Barbour of Warwick (no 946), Sir James Tyrell (no 947) and
William Welles of Warwick (no 948). Smyth/Barbour and Welles had both
been indicted for involvement in Humphrey Stafford's rebellion, which
had broken in late April and collapsed in early May. This bolsters my
suspicion that Tyrell was suspected of some involvement with the West
Country/ West Midlands rebellions of that spring.
The other one has editorial date of "16 July" against it in the margin,
but the date given at the end of the document itself is 12th July. This
pardon seems to relate to Sir James in his capacity as governor of
Guisnes. It starts with Tyrell, then goes on to list pardons to 28
other men, all soldiers of Guisnes.
So it looks to me as though Tyrell had got himself into trouble on two
different battlefronts.

It would certainly be hard to link the second pardon with a secret
murder of the Princes in the Tower for Henry VII.

Marie

If anyone of Richard's household survivors to prove a thorn in Henry
Tudor's side I can think of none better than Tyrell, who had known
and served Richard for many years. Perhaps this is the reason he was
involved with anti Tudor conspiracies, and why, after his execution
(3 strikes against Henry and you're dead maybe?) Tudor had the murder
gossip put about.
Paul


On 25 Sep 2007, at 22:59, mariewalsh2003 wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Re the recent discussion of Sir James Tyrell's two pardons in 1486
> (supposedly 16 June and 16 July), I got a library visit today and
> checked them out in Cambell's 'Materials'. Interesting.
>
> My hunch proved wrong, and these don't look like copies of the same
> pardon with a dating error. Quite the reverse - the two pardons
> suggest
> two entirely different contexts.
>
> They are both general pardons, so probably both political. The 16 June
> pardon was granted to him simply as "of Gipping, co. Suff[olk]". There
> were three pardons granted on this date, one after the other: to John
> Smyth aka Barbour of Warwick (no 946), Sir James Tyrell (no 947) and
> William Welles of Warwick (no 948). Smyth/Barbour and Welles had both
> been indicted for involvement in Humphrey Stafford's rebellion, which
> had broken in late April and collapsed in early May. This bolsters my
> suspicion that Tyrell was suspected of some involvement with the West
> Country/ West Midlands rebellions of that spring.
> The other one has editorial date of "16 July" against it in the
> margin,
> but the date given at the end of the document itself is 12th July.
> This
> pardon seems to relate to Sir James in his capacity as governor of
> Guisnes. It starts with Tyrell, then goes on to list pardons to 28
> other men, all soldiers of Guisnes.
> So it looks to me as though Tyrell had got himself into trouble on two
> different battlefronts.
>
> It would certainly be hard to link the second pardon with a secret
> murder of the Princes in the Tower for Henry VII.
>
> Marie
>
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