October 2nd

Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
England.
Only 555 years young!

Paul


"Richard Liveth Yet!"

Happy Birthday Richard lll

Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote: Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
England.
Only 555 years young!

Paul

"Richard Liveth Yet!"








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--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
> England.


A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?


And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
favorite king.

But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV that
first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.

Katy

On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
>> England.
>
>
> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?


Feel free!

>
>
> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
> favorite king.
>
> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV that
> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>

I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened to
the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
made the greatest write in the English language draw such a grotesque
portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human being.

And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

"Richard Liveth Yet!"

Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two Princes, was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry Vll ? 2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon learn that others were also just as likely to have done the deed. My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be remembered at all? 3.I have only been in this group a short time and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any? 4. Were the boys legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the day? I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.

Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
>> England.
>
>
> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?

Feel free!

>
>
> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
> favorite king.
>
> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV that
> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>

I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened to
the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
made the greatest write in the English language draw such a grotesque
portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human being.

And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

"Richard Liveth Yet!"






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Well Norma,
As you ask so nicely I'll answer your questions, in spite of my
feelings about talking again of the boys.
1. Henry VII has indeed been put forward as a possible killer of the
sons of Edward IV. Buckingham is my favourite, which answers question
4, as he had access to the Tower once Richard was out of the capital,
and motive, in that he saw himself as a possible Henry VII, not
Tudor. Recently somebody put forward the theory that Norfolk may have
had something to do with their disappearance but I find that far
fetched, Of course before we go any further, let's not forget that
there is no proof of there having been any murder in the first place.
2. I don't consider it to be best to be remembered as a crippled
murdering villain first without any recommendation to go away and
read the truth. I recently went to a production of the play in London
and heard a German gentleman on his way out asking on of the ushers
if the play was history - Oh yes, yes told him! I jumped in to
correct her and tell the gentleman that Shakespeare was propaganda
and had little to do with history. And I do not believe most people
become interested in Richard first because of the boys. But mention
them and Richard is always the first to get blamed. 4. By the
standards of the time the children of Edward IV and Elizabeth
Woodville were illegitimate by canon law. The details of the pre
contract that made them bastards were presented to, and accepted by,
Parliament, who then turned to the next in line, also the most
experienced man available, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Clarence
having been executed by bill of Attainder, taking his heirs out of
the running, and anyway, George's son Edward Warwick was considered a
bit simple, and was also still a boy. The country wanted a man as
king, and they got one by legal methods. Such methods leaving Richard
with no motive to murder his nephews.
Hope this helps.
Paul



On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:04, norma vieweg wrote:

> Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
> thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the
> group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read
> somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two Princes,
> was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry
> Vll ? 2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard
> lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon
> learn that others were also just as likely to have done the deed.
> My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and
> talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be
> remembered at all? 3.I have only been in this group a short time
> and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what
> happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any? 4. Were the boys
> legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the day?
> I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
>
>> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
>> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
>>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
>>> England.
>>
>>
>> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
>
> Feel free!
>
>>
>>
>> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
>> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
>> favorite king.
>>
>> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV
>> that
>> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
>> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
>> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
>> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>>
>
> I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
> play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened to
> the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
> made the greatest write in the English language draw such a grotesque
> portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human being.
>
> And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> listings, and more!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

"Richard Liveth Yet!"

Henry VII's mom is another suspect. She had every reason to dispose
of the boys, and her husband Lord Stanley had access to the Tower.

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> Well Norma,
> As you ask so nicely I'll answer your questions, in spite of my
> feelings about talking again of the boys.
> 1. Henry VII has indeed been put forward as a possible killer of
the
> sons of Edward IV. Buckingham is my favourite, which answers
question
> 4, as he had access to the Tower once Richard was out of the
capital,
> and motive, in that he saw himself as a possible Henry VII, not
> Tudor. Recently somebody put forward the theory that Norfolk may
have
> had something to do with their disappearance but I find that far
> fetched, Of course before we go any further, let's not forget
that
> there is no proof of there having been any murder in the first
place.
> 2. I don't consider it to be best to be remembered as a crippled
> murdering villain first without any recommendation to go away and
> read the truth. I recently went to a production of the play in
London
> and heard a German gentleman on his way out asking on of the
ushers
> if the play was history - Oh yes, yes told him! I jumped in to
> correct her and tell the gentleman that Shakespeare was
propaganda
> and had little to do with history. And I do not believe most
people
> become interested in Richard first because of the boys. But
mention
> them and Richard is always the first to get blamed. 4. By the
> standards of the time the children of Edward IV and Elizabeth
> Woodville were illegitimate by canon law. The details of the pre
> contract that made them bastards were presented to, and accepted
by,
> Parliament, who then turned to the next in line, also the most
> experienced man available, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Clarence
> having been executed by bill of Attainder, taking his heirs out
of
> the running, and anyway, George's son Edward Warwick was
considered a
> bit simple, and was also still a boy. The country wanted a man as
> king, and they got one by legal methods. Such methods leaving
Richard
> with no motive to murder his nephews.
> Hope this helps.
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:04, norma vieweg wrote:
>
> > Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
> > thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in
the
> > group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read
> > somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two
Princes,
> > was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry
> > Vll ? 2. Even though many people first become interested in
Richard
> > lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon
> > learn that others were also just as likely to have done the
deed.
> > My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and
> > talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be
> > remembered at all? 3.I have only been in this group a short
time
> > and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what
> > happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any? 4. Were the
boys
> > legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the
day?
> > I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.
> >
> > Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> > On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
> >
> >> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> >> <paultrevor@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for
their
> >>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
> >>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester,
King of
> >>> England.
> >>
> >>
> >> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
> >
> > Feel free!
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were
very
> >> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging
our
> >> favorite king.
> >>
> >> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward
IV
> >> that
> >> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their
fate wre
> >> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years
before
> >> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story
that ha
> >> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
> >>
> >
> > I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
> > play is the main thing that gets people interested, what
happened to
> > the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery
that
> > made the greatest write in the English language draw such a
grotesque
> > portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human
being.
> >
> > And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
> > Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > "Richard Liveth Yet!"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews,
get
> > listings, and more!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>

Norma - nobody knows for certain what happened to the two sons of
Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville, and beyond the fact that they
were last seen to be alive in the Tower during 1483, all else is
speculation. Theories about their fate hang around the character,
opportunity and motivation of the leading players in the events of
the time, but it may be that whoever DID know what happened to them
either took the knowledge to the grave (Buckingham ?), had excellent
reasons for not revealing the truth (Margaret Beaufort ?) or had
reasons for laying false trails (Henry VII ?). There is a case to be
made for Perkin Warbeck being the younger Prince, despite the work
of the Tudor spin doctors to rubbish his claims, but unless there is
some sensational piece of evidence that has been hidden for the last
half-Millennium we will probably never know for certain. Doesn't
stop us theorising though..........

Richard G

--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the
group please answer a few questions I have.
1. I to have read somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with
the two Princes, was there not also a third suspect after Richard
lll and Henry Vll ?
2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard lll
because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon learn
that others were also just as likely to have done the deed. My
question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and talked
about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be remembered at
all?
3.I have only been in this group a short time and would like to know
what the group as a whole thinks what happened to the boys, and by
whose hand if any?
4. Were the boys legitimate or were they truly bastards by the
standards of the day? I ask these questions as I have not read about
the boys yet.
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
>
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> > <paultrevor@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for
their
> >> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
> >> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester,
King of
> >> England.
> >
> >
> > A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
>
> Feel free!
>
> >
> >
> > And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were
very
> > important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
> > favorite king.
> >
> > But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward
IV that
> > first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate
wre
> > known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years
before
> > their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story
that ha
> > kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
> >
>
> I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
> play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened
to
> the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
> made the greatest write in the English language draw such a
grotesque
> portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human
being.
>
> And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
> Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"

Don't think so, or rather, it is a far fetched theory, else why would
Henry worry about the pretenders when mum could have told him they
were dead?
Paul

On 3 Oct 2007, at 17:21, theblackprussian wrote:

> Henry VII's mom is another suspect. She had every reason to dispose
> of the boys, and her husband Lord Stanley had access to the Tower.
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>
>> Well Norma,
>> As you ask so nicely I'll answer your questions, in spite of my
>> feelings about talking again of the boys.
>> 1. Henry VII has indeed been put forward as a possible killer of
> the
>> sons of Edward IV. Buckingham is my favourite, which answers
> question
>> 4, as he had access to the Tower once Richard was out of the
> capital,
>> and motive, in that he saw himself as a possible Henry VII, not
>> Tudor. Recently somebody put forward the theory that Norfolk may
> have
>> had something to do with their disappearance but I find that far
>> fetched, Of course before we go any further, let's not forget
> that
>> there is no proof of there having been any murder in the first
> place.
>> 2. I don't consider it to be best to be remembered as a crippled
>> murdering villain first without any recommendation to go away and
>> read the truth. I recently went to a production of the play in
> London
>> and heard a German gentleman on his way out asking on of the
> ushers
>> if the play was history - Oh yes, yes told him! I jumped in to
>> correct her and tell the gentleman that Shakespeare was
> propaganda
>> and had little to do with history. And I do not believe most
> people
>> become interested in Richard first because of the boys. But
> mention
>> them and Richard is always the first to get blamed. 4. By the
>> standards of the time the children of Edward IV and Elizabeth
>> Woodville were illegitimate by canon law. The details of the pre
>> contract that made them bastards were presented to, and accepted
> by,
>> Parliament, who then turned to the next in line, also the most
>> experienced man available, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Clarence
>> having been executed by bill of Attainder, taking his heirs out
> of
>> the running, and anyway, George's son Edward Warwick was
> considered a
>> bit simple, and was also still a boy. The country wanted a man as
>> king, and they got one by legal methods. Such methods leaving
> Richard
>> with no motive to murder his nephews.
>> Hope this helps.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:04, norma vieweg wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
>>> thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in
> the
>>> group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read
>>> somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two
> Princes,
>>> was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry
>>> Vll ? 2. Even though many people first become interested in
> Richard
>>> lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon
>>> learn that others were also just as likely to have done the
> deed.
>>> My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and
>>> talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be
>>> remembered at all? 3.I have only been in this group a short
> time
>>> and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what
>>> happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any? 4. Were the
> boys
>>> legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the
> day?
>>> I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.
>>>
>>> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>> On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
>>>
>>>> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
>>>> <paultrevor@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for
> their
>>>>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>>>>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester,
> King of
>>>>> England.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
>>>
>>> Feel free!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were
> very
>>>> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging
> our
>>>> favorite king.
>>>>
>>>> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward
> IV
>>>> that
>>>> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their
> fate wre
>>>> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years
> before
>>>> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story
> that ha
>>>> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
>>> play is the main thing that gets people interested, what
> happened to
>>> the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery
> that
>>> made the greatest write in the English language draw such a
> grotesque
>>> portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human
> being.
>>>
>>> And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews,
> get
>>> listings, and more!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

"Richard Liveth Yet!"

Thank You very much Richard for your explanation.

rgcorris <RSG_Corris@...> wrote: Norma - nobody knows for certain what happened to the two sons of
Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville, and beyond the fact that they
were last seen to be alive in the Tower during 1483, all else is
speculation. Theories about their fate hang around the character,
opportunity and motivation of the leading players in the events of
the time, but it may be that whoever DID know what happened to them
either took the knowledge to the grave (Buckingham ?), had excellent
reasons for not revealing the truth (Margaret Beaufort ?) or had
reasons for laying false trails (Henry VII ?). There is a case to be
made for Perkin Warbeck being the younger Prince, despite the work
of the Tudor spin doctors to rubbish his claims, but unless there is
some sensational piece of evidence that has been hidden for the last
half-Millennium we will probably never know for certain. Doesn't
stop us theorising though..........

Richard G

--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the
group please answer a few questions I have.
1. I to have read somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with
the two Princes, was there not also a third suspect after Richard
lll and Henry Vll ?
2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard lll
because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon learn
that others were also just as likely to have done the deed. My
question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and talked
about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be remembered at
all?
3.I have only been in this group a short time and would like to know
what the group as a whole thinks what happened to the boys, and by
whose hand if any?
4. Were the boys legitimate or were they truly bastards by the
standards of the day? I ask these questions as I have not read about
the boys yet.
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
>
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> > <paultrevor@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for
their
> >> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
> >> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester,
King of
> >> England.
> >
> >
> > A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
>
> Feel free!
>
> >
> >
> > And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were
very
> > important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
> > favorite king.
> >
> > But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward
IV that
> > first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate
wre
> > known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years
before
> > their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story
that ha
> > kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
> >
>
> I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
> play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened
to
> the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
> made the greatest write in the English language draw such a
grotesque
> portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human
being.
>
> And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
> Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"






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norma vieweg <luckycharm6139@...> wrote: Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two Princes, was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry Vll ?
h7's mother is also accused. henry stafford, duke of buckingham is often co-accused with r3. there are contemporary chronicles, memoires, etc. that say richard did it. however, from what i've read of these sources..they are all simply putting to ink rumours.
buckingham accusations of involvement are in at least five sources, one of them, a portuguese dignitary even states buckingham starved the boys to death.
there are several theories regarding the princes. from their death, believed to have occurred before august 30th 1483. to the boys having been rescued from the tower and spirited out of the country to the continent.
perkin warbeck, by some is believed to be one of the princes. the boys are also rumoured to have died during the escape by drowning in the thames or at sea.
2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon learn that others were also just as likely to have done the deed. My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be remembered at all?
not really. would you like to be remembered because of false reports, gossip and rumours?
richard should be remembered for the good things he did, not the evil he stands accused of. richard's short reign was giving strong indications of a lot of reform that would have been good for the common people.
the tudor historians and parchment shredders did an awesome job of promoting a dynasty that had no legal claim to the throne. the beaufort line had been barred from inheriting.
3.I have only been in this group a short time and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any?
buckingham did it. what remains to be determined is who aided and abetted him in this deed.
4. Were the boys legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the day?
the boys by medieval standards were illegit. they were the result of a bigamus marriage. e4 had been betrothed to lady eleanor butler, nee talbot. in this era a betrothal was as good as a marriage. both parties had to refute the betrothal to make it invalid.
no known record exists of the betrothal. although, there were supposed to be proof of the event at the time r3 had titulus regis drawn up.
lady lucy was given by the era's historians as the woman e4 had contracted marriage with. she eventually, became known as lady elizabeth lucy. this woman is recorded by tudor historians as saying there was no betrothal, only a hoped for offer of marriage once she became pregnant by e4. e4 instead secretly married elizabeth woodville. titulus regis correctly gives the betrothed lady's name, eleanor botiler aka talbot.
moreover, as their father was also very likely illegit, they would have no legal claim to the throne. richard's reputation was blacked to disguise a lot of truth.
===
I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.
well, there are a lot of theories, and only a few hard facts about the reign of r3.
i read somewhere recently, that there has been at least one book written per generation since r3 died, about his reign and the princes.
roslyn

Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
>> England.
>
>
> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?

Feel free!

>
>
> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
> favorite king.
>
> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV that
> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>

I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened to
the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
made the greatest write in the English language draw such a grotesque
portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human being.

And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
Paul
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norma vieweg <luckycharm6139@...> wrote: Happy Birthday Richard lll

Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote: Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
England.
Only 555 years young!

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Thank You very much Paul for your taking the time out to answer my questions, especially since it contains a subject you care not to discuss. I would also like to ask you Paul which book do you suggest that I read first that would best give me an accurate picture of Richard lll life and reign? Thanks again.

Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote: Well Norma,
As you ask so nicely I'll answer your questions, in spite of my
feelings about talking again of the boys.
1. Henry VII has indeed been put forward as a possible killer of the
sons of Edward IV. Buckingham is my favourite, which answers question
4, as he had access to the Tower once Richard was out of the capital,
and motive, in that he saw himself as a possible Henry VII, not
Tudor. Recently somebody put forward the theory that Norfolk may have
had something to do with their disappearance but I find that far
fetched, Of course before we go any further, let's not forget that
there is no proof of there having been any murder in the first place.
2. I don't consider it to be best to be remembered as a crippled
murdering villain first without any recommendation to go away and
read the truth. I recently went to a production of the play in London
and heard a German gentleman on his way out asking on of the ushers
if the play was history - Oh yes, yes told him! I jumped in to
correct her and tell the gentleman that Shakespeare was propaganda
and had little to do with history. And I do not believe most people
become interested in Richard first because of the boys. But mention
them and Richard is always the first to get blamed. 4. By the
standards of the time the children of Edward IV and Elizabeth
Woodville were illegitimate by canon law. The details of the pre
contract that made them bastards were presented to, and accepted by,
Parliament, who then turned to the next in line, also the most
experienced man available, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Clarence
having been executed by bill of Attainder, taking his heirs out of
the running, and anyway, George's son Edward Warwick was considered a
bit simple, and was also still a boy. The country wanted a man as
king, and they got one by legal methods. Such methods leaving Richard
with no motive to murder his nephews.
Hope this helps.
Paul

On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:04, norma vieweg wrote:

> Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
> thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the
> group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read
> somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two Princes,
> was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry
> Vll ? 2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard
> lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon
> learn that others were also just as likely to have done the deed.
> My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and
> talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be
> remembered at all? 3.I have only been in this group a short time
> and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what
> happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any? 4. Were the boys
> legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the day?
> I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
>
>> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
>> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for their
>>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
>>> England.
>>
>>
>> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
>
> Feel free!
>
>>
>>
>> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
>> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
>> favorite king.
>>
>> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV
>> that
>> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
>> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
>> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
>> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>>
>
> I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
> play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened to
> the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
> made the greatest write in the English language draw such a grotesque
> portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human being.
>
> And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
>
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--- In , Megan Lerseth
<megan_phntmgrl@...> wrote:
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> The best part is the fact that I have a friend who actually baked
him a cake. :)

555 candles and a fire extinguisher?
>
> norma vieweg <luckycharm6139@...> wrote: Happy Birthday
Richard lll
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote: Thanks to the Duchess of
York and her husband Duke Richard for their
> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
> England.
> Only 555 years young!
>
> Paul
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
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Well Norma, I still have a fondness for Paul Murray Kendall's
biography which is so readable, as well as well researched. And he
clearly likes Richard a lot. Then go to Ross, who doesn't like him,
and Jeremy Potter, who looks at all the various controversies and
deal with them very well.
Happy reading!
Paul

On 4 Oct 2007, at 14:10, norma vieweg wrote:

> Thank You very much Paul for your taking the time out to answer my
> questions, especially since it contains a subject you care not to
> discuss. I would also like to ask you Paul which book do you
> suggest that I read first that would best give me an accurate
> picture of Richard lll life and reign? Thanks again.
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote: Well
> Norma,
> As you ask so nicely I'll answer your questions, in spite of my
> feelings about talking again of the boys.
> 1. Henry VII has indeed been put forward as a possible killer of the
> sons of Edward IV. Buckingham is my favourite, which answers question
> 4, as he had access to the Tower once Richard was out of the capital,
> and motive, in that he saw himself as a possible Henry VII, not
> Tudor. Recently somebody put forward the theory that Norfolk may have
> had something to do with their disappearance but I find that far
> fetched, Of course before we go any further, let's not forget that
> there is no proof of there having been any murder in the first place.
> 2. I don't consider it to be best to be remembered as a crippled
> murdering villain first without any recommendation to go away and
> read the truth. I recently went to a production of the play in London
> and heard a German gentleman on his way out asking on of the ushers
> if the play was history - Oh yes, yes told him! I jumped in to
> correct her and tell the gentleman that Shakespeare was propaganda
> and had little to do with history. And I do not believe most people
> become interested in Richard first because of the boys. But mention
> them and Richard is always the first to get blamed. 4. By the
> standards of the time the children of Edward IV and Elizabeth
> Woodville were illegitimate by canon law. The details of the pre
> contract that made them bastards were presented to, and accepted by,
> Parliament, who then turned to the next in line, also the most
> experienced man available, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Clarence
> having been executed by bill of Attainder, taking his heirs out of
> the running, and anyway, George's son Edward Warwick was considered a
> bit simple, and was also still a boy. The country wanted a man as
> king, and they got one by legal methods. Such methods leaving Richard
> with no motive to murder his nephews.
> Hope this helps.
> Paul
>
> On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:04, norma vieweg wrote:
>
>> Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
>> thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the
>> group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read
>> somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two Princes,
>> was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry
>> Vll ? 2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard
>> lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon
>> learn that others were also just as likely to have done the deed.
>> My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and
>> talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be
>> remembered at all? 3.I have only been in this group a short time
>> and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what
>> happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any? 4. Were the boys
>> legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the day?
>> I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.
>>
>> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>> On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
>>
>>> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
>>> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for
>>>> their
>>>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>>>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
>>>> England.
>>>
>>>
>>> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
>>
>> Feel free!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
>>> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
>>> favorite king.
>>>
>>> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV
>>> that
>>> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
>>> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
>>> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
>>> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>>>
>>
>> I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
>> play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened to
>> the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
>> made the greatest write in the English language draw such a grotesque
>> portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human being.
>>
>> And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
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>> listings, and more!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
>
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>
>
>
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Thanks again Paul, I went to the Library Saturday, the only book they had on Richard lll was the one by Charles Ross, I had to order through interlibrary for the one by Paul Murry Kendall. Thats sad that they only had 1 book on a famous King! There should be more. I shall start reading my book tomarrow when I am finally able to have a day free of people running around me and constantly asking for this and that, wow a day to myself! LOL Thanks again Paul.

Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote: Well Norma, I still have a fondness for Paul Murray Kendall's
biography which is so readable, as well as well researched. And he
clearly likes Richard a lot. Then go to Ross, who doesn't like him,
and Jeremy Potter, who looks at all the various controversies and
deal with them very well.
Happy reading!
Paul

On 4 Oct 2007, at 14:10, norma vieweg wrote:

> Thank You very much Paul for your taking the time out to answer my
> questions, especially since it contains a subject you care not to
> discuss. I would also like to ask you Paul which book do you
> suggest that I read first that would best give me an accurate
> picture of Richard lll life and reign? Thanks again.
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote: Well
> Norma,
> As you ask so nicely I'll answer your questions, in spite of my
> feelings about talking again of the boys.
> 1. Henry VII has indeed been put forward as a possible killer of the
> sons of Edward IV. Buckingham is my favourite, which answers question
> 4, as he had access to the Tower once Richard was out of the capital,
> and motive, in that he saw himself as a possible Henry VII, not
> Tudor. Recently somebody put forward the theory that Norfolk may have
> had something to do with their disappearance but I find that far
> fetched, Of course before we go any further, let's not forget that
> there is no proof of there having been any murder in the first place.
> 2. I don't consider it to be best to be remembered as a crippled
> murdering villain first without any recommendation to go away and
> read the truth. I recently went to a production of the play in London
> and heard a German gentleman on his way out asking on of the ushers
> if the play was history - Oh yes, yes told him! I jumped in to
> correct her and tell the gentleman that Shakespeare was propaganda
> and had little to do with history. And I do not believe most people
> become interested in Richard first because of the boys. But mention
> them and Richard is always the first to get blamed. 4. By the
> standards of the time the children of Edward IV and Elizabeth
> Woodville were illegitimate by canon law. The details of the pre
> contract that made them bastards were presented to, and accepted by,
> Parliament, who then turned to the next in line, also the most
> experienced man available, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Clarence
> having been executed by bill of Attainder, taking his heirs out of
> the running, and anyway, George's son Edward Warwick was considered a
> bit simple, and was also still a boy. The country wanted a man as
> king, and they got one by legal methods. Such methods leaving Richard
> with no motive to murder his nephews.
> Hope this helps.
> Paul
>
> On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:04, norma vieweg wrote:
>
>> Hello Paul, I have never read Shakespeare sadly to say. Another
>> thing I wish to do in the near future. Could you or someone in the
>> group please answer a few questions I have. 1. I to have read
>> somewhere that Henry Vll may have done away with the two Princes,
>> was there not also a third suspect after Richard lll and Henry
>> Vll ? 2. Even though many people first become interested in Richard
>> lll because of the boys could be a good thing as they will soon
>> learn that others were also just as likely to have done the deed.
>> My question here is this, Is it not better to be remembered and
>> talked about, then learn who Richard truly was than to not be
>> remembered at all? 3.I have only been in this group a short time
>> and would like to know what the group as a whole thinks what
>> happened to the boys, and by whose hand if any? 4. Were the boys
>> legitimate or were they truly bastards by the standards of the day?
>> I ask these questions as I have not read about the boys yet.
>>
>> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>> On 2 Oct 2007, at 20:27, oregonkaty wrote:
>>
>>> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
>>> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to the Duchess of York and her husband Duke Richard for
>>>> their
>>>> gift of a son born October 2nd 1452.
>>>> Many Happy Returns Richard Plantagenet, Duke of Gloucester, King of
>>>> England.
>>>
>>>
>>> A graceful turn of phrase, Paul. May I use it?
>>
>> Feel free!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And when, earlier, I said that the "princes in the Tower" were very
>>> important to Richard's being remembered, I wasn't disparaging our
>>> favorite king.
>>>
>>> But I think it's the mystery of the fate of the sons of Edward IV
>>> that
>>> first draws most people into the study of Richard. If their fate wre
>>> known and definite, or if they had never lived or died years before
>>> their father, we would not have the complex open-ended story that ha
>>> kept people discussing it for the past 500 years.
>>>
>>
>> I disagree as I think it only part of Shakespeare's slanders. The
>> play is the main thing that gets people interested, what happened to
>> the bastard sons of Edward IV being only part of they mystery that
>> made the greatest write in the English language draw such a grotesque
>> portrait of somebody he expects people to believe was a human being.
>>
>> And frankly I am bored stiff with talking about the boys fate!
>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get
>> listings, and more!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Richard Liveth Yet!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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Raise a glass to our beloved king this day, his 558th birthday!
Paul

We have a special birthdaycake with the numbers 5 5. 8 to go on top!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:

> Raise a glass to our beloved king this day, his 558th birthday!
> Paul
>
>

Happy Birthday Richard

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From: Sally Keil <skeil@...>
Subject: Re: October 2nd
To: "" <>
Cc: "RichardIIISociety forum" <>
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 7:49 AM


 



We have a special birthdaycake with the numbers 5 5. 8 to go on top!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:

> Raise a glass to our beloved king this day, his 558th birthday!
> Paul
>
>

Yes. Happy belated dear Dickon...(lol) xD iPhone, cake and all.

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> Happy Birthday Richard
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> Subject: Re: October 2nd
> To: "" <>
> Cc: "RichardIIISociety forum" <>
> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 7:49 AM
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>  
>
>
>
> We have a special birthdaycake with the numbers 5 5. 8 to go on top!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> > Raise a glass to our beloved king this day, his 558th birthday!
> > Paul
> >
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Sunday is the 559th anniversary of the birth of Richard Plantagenet, youngest son of Duke Richard of York and Duchess Cecily.
Many happy returns to his grace King Richard III!
Let's raise a glass or six in his honour and memory!
Paul


Richard liveth Yet!

Hi, Paul...you beat me to it. I second your toast, and third it. And yes, Richard liveth yet!!!


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From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 5:00 AM
Subject: October 2nd


 
Sunday is the 559th anniversary of the birth of Richard Plantagenet, youngest son of Duke Richard of York and Duchess Cecily.
Many happy returns to his grace King Richard III!
Let's raise a glass or six in his honour and memory!
Paul

Richard liveth Yet!

chink...to the birth of an honourable man...

On 1 October 2011 11:38, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:

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>
>
> Hi, Paul...you beat me to it. I second your toast, and third it. And yes,
> Richard liveth yet!!!
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
> To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 5:00 AM
> Subject: October 2nd
>
>
> Sunday is the 559th anniversary of the birth of Richard Plantagenet,
> youngest son of Duke Richard of York and Duchess Cecily.
> Many happy returns to his grace King Richard III!
> Let's raise a glass or six in his honour and memory!
> Paul
>
> Richard liveth Yet!
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>
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Hi everyone. I'm Linda and one of the newest members here. First, let
me join all of you in toasting Richard III on October 2.

Secondly, let me introduce myself a little. I am 43, a single Mom to a
wonderful boy and work in retail, having never finished my graduate
studies in German for a variety of family reasons. I came to Richard III
in a rather roundabout way, namely via a Halloween costume. I'd decided
to dress as Anne Boleyn after finding an off the rack dress that looked
vaguely Tudor-like. That led to getting a better quality dress hand made
(but not by me) the following year and beginning to read a lot about the
Tudors, especially Anne. One book led to another, Anne to Henry VIII to
Henry VII to Elizabeth Wydville, Margaret Beaufort, Wars of the Roses,
Edward IV and finally Richard III. It's been a long and winding path
here, but here I am, among others who admire Richard III. I'm happy to
be here. While I know very little, being a novice in this area, I hope
to learn a great deal more and very much look forward to that.

Linda
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Sunday is the 559th anniversary of the birth of Richard Plantagenet,
youngest son of Duke Richard of York and Duchess Cecily.
> Many happy returns to his grace King Richard III!
> Let's raise a glass or six in his honour and memory!
> Paul
>
>
> Richard liveth Yet!
>

Well i am sitting here with a very nice bottle of red so I'll raise a toast to a
very happy birthday for Richard tomorrow, and to my mom on Monday





________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Saturday, 1 October, 2011 11:00:14
Subject: October 2nd

 
Sunday is the 559th anniversary of the birth of Richard Plantagenet, youngest
son of Duke Richard of York and Duchess Cecily.
Many happy returns to his grace King Richard III!
Let's raise a glass or six in his honour and memory!
Paul

Richard liveth Yet!

This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I must
start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so greatly
admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical era I
could ever imagine.

But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and also a
member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before posted
anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!

So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have recently
published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL - on
Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book formats.
This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not relevant to
Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews so far -
but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and daunting
world to me and I'm a long way behind.

My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the Bosworth
battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the Tudor
usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a personal
level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and background
influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few weeks -
same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some nice
feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a cover before
being able to publish.

However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has any
suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a university
degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm a fairly
good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in other
directions. Any hints would be brilliant.

Thanks - Barbara

(Barbara Gaskell Denvil)

Hello and welcome to Barbara and Linda on this auspicious day! It warms the heart to know the numbers of Richard's admirers continue to grow.

Barbara, I know there are several of our number (including me) who have seen early versions of "Satin Cinnabar" and thought it was a cracking read. I wish you luck with this and "Fair Weather". Not having the gift of writing fiction myself, I haven't any idea how to get into that market, but hopefully other forum members will have some tips.

Linda, what a roundabout route to encountering Good King Dickon! Glad you found someone to admire after making your way through those other characters. I have been catching up on the post-Richard era lately, reading a bit about Henry VII, Thomas More, that sort of thing, my latest read being Desmond Seward's "Last White Rose". Or skipping through it would be more accurate, as it so turns my stomach to read of all the religious persecution, torture, executions, burnings at the stake, and perhaps above all the perfidy of promises, pardons and safe-conducts used cynically to entrap victims. Amazingly, in this book Seward seems to have even less time for the Tudor Henrys than he does for poor Richard, whom he gave such a pasting in "England's Black Legend"!

I always like October 2nd because it gives us the opportunity to celebrate, raise a glass and say Loyaulté me lie.
Regards, Annette

----- Original Message -----
From: asphodellynwormwood
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: October 2nd



Hi everyone. I'm Linda and one of the newest members here. First, let
me join all of you in toasting Richard III on October 2.

Secondly, let me introduce myself a little. I am 43, a single Mom to a
wonderful boy and work in retail, having never finished my graduate
studies in German for a variety of family reasons. I came to Richard III
in a rather roundabout way, namely via a Halloween costume. I'd decided
to dress as Anne Boleyn after finding an off the rack dress that looked
vaguely Tudor-like. That led to getting a better quality dress hand made
(but not by me) the following year and beginning to read a lot about the
Tudors, especially Anne. One book led to another, Anne to Henry VIII to
Henry VII to Elizabeth Wydville, Margaret Beaufort, Wars of the Roses,
Edward IV and finally Richard III. It's been a long and winding path
here, but here I am, among others who admire Richard III. I'm happy to
be here. While I know very little, being a novice in this area, I hope
to learn a great deal more and very much look forward to that.

Linda
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Sunday is the 559th anniversary of the birth of Richard Plantagenet,
youngest son of Duke Richard of York and Duchess Cecily.
> Many happy returns to his grace King Richard III!
> Let's raise a glass or six in his honour and memory!
> Paul
>
>
> Richard liveth Yet!
>

Hello Barbara,

Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I hope they will be wildly successful for you.

I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of self-promotion in the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog such as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is free and easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I have not used.

I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn (also free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so that your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.

Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I haven't found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter. And again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.

One especially important objective is to determine the search engine optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe, blanket binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.

The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list will have more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page etc. you can contact me off the list.

Bon chance!
Flo




On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:

> This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I must
> start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so greatly
> admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical era I
> could ever imagine.
>
> But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and also a
> member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before posted
> anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
>
> So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have recently
> published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL - on
> Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book formats.
> This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not relevant to
> Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews so far -
> but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and daunting
> world to me and I'm a long way behind.
>
> My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the Bosworth
> battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the Tudor
> usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a personal
> level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and background
> influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few weeks -
> same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some nice
> feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a cover before
> being able to publish.
>
> However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has any
> suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a university
> degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm a fairly
> good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in other
> directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
>
> Thanks - Barbara
>
> (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
>
>
>
>

May I add words of welcome as well?
 
I, too, am new to this group but in the short months I've been here, I've learned much. 
 
While I have no publishing aspirations myself, I find all the work you all do fascinating.
 
Thanks for sharing ...
 
Margie


________________________________
From: Annette Carson <email@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd


 

Hello and welcome to Barbara and Linda on this auspicious day! It warms the heart to know the numbers of Richard's admirers continue to grow.

Barbara, I know there are several of our number (including me) who have seen early versions of "Satin Cinnabar" and thought it was a cracking read. I wish you luck with this and "Fair Weather". Not having the gift of writing fiction myself, I haven't any idea how to get into that market, but hopefully other forum members will have some tips.

Linda, what a roundabout route to encountering Good King Dickon! Glad you found someone to admire after making your way through those other characters. I have been catching up on the post-Richard era lately, reading a bit about Henry VII, Thomas More, that sort of thing, my latest read being Desmond Seward's "Last White Rose". Or skipping through it would be more accurate, as it so turns my stomach to read of all the religious persecution, torture, executions, burnings at the stake, and perhaps above all the perfidy of promises, pardons and safe-conducts used cynically to entrap victims. Amazingly, in this book Seward seems to have even less time for the Tudor Henrys than he does for poor Richard, whom he gave such a pasting in "England's Black Legend"!

I always like October 2nd because it gives us the opportunity to celebrate, raise a glass and say Loyaulté me lie.
Regards, Annette

----- Original Message -----
From: asphodellynwormwood
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi everyone. I'm Linda and one of the newest members here. First, let
me join all of you in toasting Richard III on October 2.

Secondly, let me introduce myself a little. I am 43, a single Mom to a
wonderful boy and work in retail, having never finished my graduate
studies in German for a variety of family reasons. I came to Richard III
in a rather roundabout way, namely via a Halloween costume. I'd decided
to dress as Anne Boleyn after finding an off the rack dress that looked
vaguely Tudor-like. That led to getting a better quality dress hand made
(but not by me) the following year and beginning to read a lot about the
Tudors, especially Anne. One book led to another, Anne to Henry VIII to
Henry VII to Elizabeth Wydville, Margaret Beaufort, Wars of the Roses,
Edward IV and finally Richard III. It's been a long and winding path
here, but here I am, among others who admire Richard III. I'm happy to
be here. While I know very little, being a novice in this area, I hope
to learn a great deal more and very much look forward to that.

Linda
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Sunday is the 559th anniversary of the birth of Richard Plantagenet,
youngest son of Duke Richard of York and Duchess Cecily.
> Many happy returns to his grace King Richard III!
> Let's raise a glass or six in his honour and memory!
> Paul
>
>
> Richard liveth Yet!
>

Dear Barbara,

I haven't got any experience in the literary business, but some of the problems are the same for our business (carpet cleaning).  I think Flo's suggestions are very good.


Privately I'm the webmaster for the NSW branch, we use WordPress for our branch website.  I find it fairly easy to use.  A friend helped me to set the website up, but the maintenance is pretty straightforward, but it helps that I have someone who is much better with IT than I am to ask.

And we are always only too happy to support on our branch website writers who are members of our branch (as you are) as well as other members of the Ric III Society.  If you have anything about your novels, which you would like to publish there, just send it to me (for the benefit of others:  Barbara and I have been in contact  and she has my email address).

I'll follow any other suggestions with interest, as I think that this is a concern for many novelists.

Best regards, Dorothea


________________________________
From: Florence Dove <mdove9@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd

Hello Barbara,

Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I hope they will be wildly successful for you.

I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of self-promotion in the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog such as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is free and easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I have not used.

I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn (also free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so that your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.

Of course there's Facebook-  a fan page would be helpful although I haven't found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce-  and Twitter.  And again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.

One especially important objective is to determine the search engine optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe, blanket binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.

The above are very basic suggestions.  I'm sure others on the list will have more.  If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page etc. you can contact me off the list.

Bon chance!
Flo




On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:

> This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I must
> start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so greatly
> admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical era I
> could ever imagine.
>
> But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and also a
> member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before posted
> anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
>
> So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have recently
> published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL - on
> Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book formats.
> This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not relevant to
> Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews so far -
> but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and daunting
> world to me and I'm a long way behind.
>
> My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the Bosworth
> battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the Tudor
> usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a personal
> level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and background
> influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few weeks -
> same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some nice
> feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a cover before
> being able to publish.
>
> However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has any
> suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a university
> degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm a fairly
> good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in other
> directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
>
> Thanks - Barbara
>
> (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
>
>
>
>







------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

You are all so kind, thanks very much.
A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so presumably this
is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea of what
this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a trip to
Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately) but
in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate that one
first.
The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it makes
tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall contact
you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile works.
Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the world
seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website yet but
that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues of
self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do - but
many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
Thanks again to everyone.
Barbara




-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Florence Dove
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd

Hello Barbara,

Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I hope they
will be wildly successful for you.

I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of self-promotion in
the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog such
as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is free and
easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I have
not used.

I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn (also
free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so that
your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.

Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I haven't
found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter. And
again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.

One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe, blanket
binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.

The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list will have
more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page etc.
you can contact me off the list.

Bon chance!
Flo




On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:

> This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I must
> start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so greatly
> admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical era I
> could ever imagine.
>
> But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and also a
> member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before posted
> anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
>
> So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
recently
> published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL - on
> Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book formats.
> This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not relevant
to
> Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews so far
-
> but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
daunting
> world to me and I'm a long way behind.
>
> My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
Bosworth
> battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the Tudor
> usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a personal
> level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and background
> influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few weeks -
> same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some nice
> feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a cover
before
> being able to publish.
>
> However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has any
> suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a university
> degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm a
fairly
> good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in other
> directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
>
> Thanks - Barbara
>
> (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
>
>
>
>







------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

I'd be happy to help in any way that I can, Barbara. If you'd like to
contact me privately, you can email me at mdove9@....

Cheers, Flo







On Oct 4, 2011, at 1:10 AM, barbara wrote:

> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
> presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
> of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
> trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars
> unfortunately) but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
> that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but
> it makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
> contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
> works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of
> the world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
> yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
> of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
> but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of
> Florence Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
> hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of self-
> promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a
> blog such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
> free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which
> I have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
> (also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
> that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
> haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter. And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
> blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
> will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
> etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and
> I must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
> greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating
> historical era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
> also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
> posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
> on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
> formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
> relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
> so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
> Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
> personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
> background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
> weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
> nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
> cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
> any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
> university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think
> I'm a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be
> in other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In , "barbara" <barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara









-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: October 2nd





Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Hi Barbara:
 
My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at Starbucks):
 
The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'.  It is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying but aren't quite ready to invest in.  It is wonderful for blowing the text up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...
 
I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.  
 
I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the 1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...  :)
 
Margie 


________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd


 

Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

I agree with Margie.  I like Kindle for reading novels and it's ideal when travelling.  However, for non-fiction, research books I prefer the traditional paper copy.  It's much easier to find something at a later stage and with footnotes or endnotes it gets fairly painful.

Cheers, Dorothea





________________________________
From: MD Deck <mdbuyingstuff@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch


 
Hi Barbara:
 
My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at Starbucks):
 
The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'.  It is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying but aren't quite ready to invest in.  It is wonderful for blowing the text up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...
 
I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.  
 
I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the 1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...  :)
 
Margie 

________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd

 

Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Thanks a lot. It seems for fiction at least, I must buy a Kindle. The models
and prices vary a good deal. Can anyone tell me, is the most expensive
necessarily the best?

Cheers, Barbara



-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea Preis
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:43 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch





I agree with Margie. I like Kindle for reading novels and it's ideal when
travelling. However, for non-fiction, research books I prefer the
traditional paper copy. It's much easier to find something at a later stage
and with footnotes or endnotes it gets fairly painful.

Cheers, Dorothea

________________________________
From: MD Deck <mdbuyingstuff@... <mailto:mdbuyingstuff%40yahoo.com> >
To: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch


Hi Barbara:

My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at
Starbucks):

The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'. It
is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying
but aren't quite ready to invest in. It is wonderful for blowing the text
up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...

I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff
with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork
and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go
back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.

I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the
1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...
:)

Margie

________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd



Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

I have a Kindle and ordered it directly from Amazon.  Delivery was very quick (I think I ordered it on Monday and had it Thursday morning).  However, in the meantime it's also available from Dick Smith and Woollies and Big W, I believe.

Cheers, Dorothea



________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch


 
Thanks a lot. It seems for fiction at least, I must buy a Kindle. The models
and prices vary a good deal. Can anyone tell me, is the most expensive
necessarily the best?

Cheers, Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea Preis
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:43 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch

I agree with Margie. I like Kindle for reading novels and it's ideal when
travelling. However, for non-fiction, research books I prefer the
traditional paper copy. It's much easier to find something at a later stage
and with footnotes or endnotes it gets fairly painful.

Cheers, Dorothea

________________________________
From: MD Deck <mdbuyingstuff@... <mailto:mdbuyingstuff%40yahoo.com> >
To: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch

Hi Barbara:

My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at
Starbucks):

The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'. It
is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying
but aren't quite ready to invest in. It is wonderful for blowing the text
up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...

I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff
with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork
and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go
back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.

I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the
1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...
:)

Margie

________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd

Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Hi Barbara,

I have a 3rd gen Kindle with WiFi and 3G. I read excessively and my eyes are no longer at their height, and I find the gray background to be a bit difficult at times; and as others have pointed out, the navigation leaves a lot to be desired. In spite of the significantly smaller screen, I have less eye strain reading on my iPhone4 because of the backlit screen. All of this is, of course, very personal and subjective.

My personal choice is an iPad2 which has a large backlit screen (I don't read outside often) and is now even more attractive with the new app that allows the iPad to also function as a cellphone. For privacy, one would use earbuds. Now that speech recognition has come to the iPhone4G, one can easily imagine what the iPad3 will have.

Back around 1999, after Steve Jobs had returned to Apple, Apple released under non-disclosure a very short video tape of their vision of the future of Apple technology long range. (I wish I could find my copy.) It was breathtaking, but even more so is to see that very technology coming to pass today. I know folks were expecting more from the new iPhone4G , but the 4G and iCloud are definitely first steps in moving to total interactive voice control and away from buttons, mice, software applications, and keyboards. Think of the computer back in the old Star Trek episodes. That's Jobs' vision.

Steve Jobs was a brilliant man, a visionary. He created technology for everyman, easy to understand and use. We are all diminished by his passing at the young age of 56.

Flo

On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:19 AM, barbara wrote:

> Thanks a lot. It seems for fiction at least, I must buy a Kindle. The models
> and prices vary a good deal. Can anyone tell me, is the most expensive
> necessarily the best?
>
> Cheers, Barbara
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea Preis
> Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:43 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch
>
> I agree with Margie. I like Kindle for reading novels and it's ideal when
> travelling. However, for non-fiction, research books I prefer the
> traditional paper copy. It's much easier to find something at a later stage
> and with footnotes or endnotes it gets fairly painful.
>
> Cheers, Dorothea
>
> ________________________________
> From: MD Deck <mdbuyingstuff@... <mailto:mdbuyingstuff%40yahoo.com> >
> To: "
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch
>
> Hi Barbara:
>
> My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at
> Starbucks):
>
> The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'. It
> is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying
> but aren't quite ready to invest in. It is wonderful for blowing the text
> up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...
>
> I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff
> with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork
> and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go
> back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.
>
> I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the
> 1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...
> :)
>
> Margie
>
> ________________________________
> From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au> >
> To:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd
>
> Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
> get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
> interesting review.
>
> I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.
>
> The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
> having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
> one.
>
> I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
> up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
> spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
> to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
> And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
> becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
> after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?
>
> Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.
>
> Cheers - Barbara
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> joanszechtman
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
> To:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hi Barbara,
>
> I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
> suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
> Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
> indie books.
>
> Joan
> ---
> author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
> the 21st-century
> This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
> Book Awards
> website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
> <http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
> ebooks at Smashwords
> <http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>
>
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
> <barbaragd@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> > A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
> presumably this
> > is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
> of what
> > this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
> trip to
> > Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
> but
> > in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
> that one
> > first.
> > The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
> makes
> > tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
> contact
> > you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
> works.
> > Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> > Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
> world
> > seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> > And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
> yet but
> > that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> > profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> > There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
> of
> > self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
> but
> > many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> > advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> > Thanks again to everyone.
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
> Dove
> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> > To:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
> >
> > Hello Barbara,
> >
> > Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
> hope they
> > will be wildly successful for you.
> >
> > I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
> self-promotion in
> > the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
> such
> > as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
> free and
> > easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
> have
> > not used.
> >
> > I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
> (also
> > free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
> that
> > your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
> >
> > Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
> haven't
> > found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
> And
> > again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
> >
> > One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> > optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> > consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
> blanket
> > binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
> >
> > The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
> will have
> > more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
> etc.
> > you can contact me off the list.
> >
> > Bon chance!
> > Flo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
> >
> > > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
> must
> > > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
> greatly
> > > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
> era I
> > > could ever imagine.
> > >
> > > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
> also a
> > > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
> posted
> > > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> > >
> > > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> > recently
> > > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
> on
> > > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
> formats.
> > > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
> relevant
> > to
> > > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
> so far
> > -
> > > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> > daunting
> > > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> > >
> > > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> > Bosworth
> > > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
> Tudor
> > > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
> personal
> > > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
> background
> > > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
> weeks -
> > > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
> nice
> > > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
> cover
> > before
> > > being able to publish.
> > >
> > > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
> any
> > > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
> university
> > > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
> a
> > fairly
> > > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
> other
> > > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> > >
> > > Thanks - Barbara
> > >
> > > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, Steve Jobs was a brilliant man and an original thinker. Sad that the
world lost him so early.

Getting back (briefly) to Maria's Asus Transformer, I am very excited by
what I read of this. I do need to upgrade my notebook and assumed that this
precluded getting an e-reader, but the Transformer seems to offer the best
of both worlds. Thanks, Maria, I'm definitely going to follow this up!
(Although they'll never replace real books for me .....)
Annette

----- Original Message -----
From: "Florence Dove" <mdove9@...>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch


> Hi Barbara,
>
> I have a 3rd gen Kindle with WiFi and 3G. I read excessively and my eyes
> are no longer at their height, and I find the gray background to be a bit
> difficult at times; and as others have pointed out, the navigation leaves
> a lot to be desired. In spite of the significantly smaller screen, I have
> less eye strain reading on my iPhone4 because of the backlit screen. All
> of this is, of course, very personal and subjective.
>
> My personal choice is an iPad2 which has a large backlit screen (I don't
> read outside often) and is now even more attractive with the new app that
> allows the iPad to also function as a cellphone. For privacy, one would
> use earbuds. Now that speech recognition has come to the iPhone4G, one
> can easily imagine what the iPad3 will have.
>
> Back around 1999, after Steve Jobs had returned to Apple, Apple released
> under non-disclosure a very short video tape of their vision of the future
> of Apple technology long range. (I wish I could find my copy.) It was
> breathtaking, but even more so is to see that very technology coming to
> pass today. I know folks were expecting more from the new iPhone4G , but
> the 4G and iCloud are definitely first steps in moving to total
> interactive voice control and away from buttons, mice, software
> applications, and keyboards. Think of the computer back in the old Star
> Trek episodes. That's Jobs' vision.
>
> Steve Jobs was a brilliant man, a visionary. He created technology for
> everyman, easy to understand and use. We are all diminished by his passing
> at the young age of 56.
>
> Flo
>
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:19 AM, barbara wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot. It seems for fiction at least, I must buy a Kindle. The
>> models
>> and prices vary a good deal. Can anyone tell me, is the most expensive
>> necessarily the best?
>>
>> Cheers, Barbara
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea
>> Preis
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:43 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading,
>> Reasearch
>>
>> I agree with Margie. I like Kindle for reading novels and it's ideal when
>> travelling. However, for non-fiction, research books I prefer the
>> traditional paper copy. It's much easier to find something at a later
>> stage
>> and with footnotes or endnotes it gets fairly painful.
>>
>> Cheers, Dorothea
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: MD Deck <mdbuyingstuff@... <mailto:mdbuyingstuff%40yahoo.com>
>> >
>> To: "
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
>> <
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading,
>> Reasearch
>>
>> Hi Barbara:
>>
>> My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee
>> at
>> Starbucks):
>>
>> The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'. It
>> is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about
>> buying
>> but aren't quite ready to invest in. It is wonderful for blowing the text
>> up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...
>>
>> I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff
>> with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork
>> and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go
>> back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.
>>
>> I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have
>> the
>> 1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest
>> ...
>> :)
>>
>> Margie
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au>
>> >
>> To:
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
>> Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd
>>
>> Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
>> get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
>> interesting review.
>>
>> I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you
>> everybody.
>>
>> The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
>> having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
>> one.
>>
>> I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection
>> takes
>> up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research
>> books
>> spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned
>> King
>> to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
>> And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and
>> am
>> becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best
>> future
>> after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?
>>
>> Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after
>> this.
>>
>> Cheers - Barbara
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> [mailto:
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
>> joanszechtman
>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
>> To:
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: October 2nd
>>
>> Hi Barbara,
>>
>> I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
>> suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
>> Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
>> indie books.
>>
>> Joan
>> ---
>> author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
>> the 21st-century
>> This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
>> Book Awards
>> website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
>> <http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
>> ebooks at Smashwords
>> <http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>
>>
>> --- In
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
>> <barbaragd@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > You are all so kind, thanks very much.
>> > A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
>> presumably this
>> > is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
>> of what
>> > this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
>> trip to
>> > Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
>> but
>> > in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
>> that one
>> > first.
>> > The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
>> makes
>> > tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
>> contact
>> > you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
>> works.
>> > Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
>> > Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
>> world
>> > seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
>> > And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
>> yet but
>> > that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
>> > profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
>> > There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
>> of
>> > self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
>> but
>> > many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
>> > advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
>> > Thanks again to everyone.
>> > Barbara
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > [mailto:
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
>> Dove
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
>> > To:
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>> >
>> > Hello Barbara,
>> >
>> > Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
>> hope they
>> > will be wildly successful for you.
>> >
>> > I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
>> self-promotion in
>> > the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
>> such
>> > as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
>> free and
>> > easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
>> have
>> > not used.
>> >
>> > I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
>> (also
>> > free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
>> that
>> > your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>> >
>> > Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
>> haven't
>> > found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
>> And
>> > again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>> >
>> > One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
>> > optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
>> > consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
>> blanket
>> > binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>> >
>> > The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
>> will have
>> > more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
>> etc.
>> > you can contact me off the list.
>> >
>> > Bon chance!
>> > Flo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>> >
>> > > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
>> must
>> > > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
>> greatly
>> > > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
>> era I
>> > > could ever imagine.
>> > >
>> > > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
>> also a
>> > > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
>> posted
>> > > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
>> > >
>> > > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
>> > recently
>> > > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
>> on
>> > > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
>> formats.
>> > > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
>> relevant
>> > to
>> > > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
>> so far
>> > -
>> > > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
>> > daunting
>> > > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
>> > >
>> > > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
>> > > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
>> > Bosworth
>> > > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
>> Tudor
>> > > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
>> personal
>> > > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
>> background
>> > > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
>> weeks -
>> > > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
>> nice
>> > > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
>> cover
>> > before
>> > > being able to publish.
>> > >
>> > > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
>> any
>> > > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
>> university
>> > > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
>> a
>> > fairly
>> > > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
>> other
>> > > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks - Barbara
>> > >
>> > > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

To buy or not to buy a Kindle - I do greatly appreciate all the information
and will study it at length. I've been promised something for Christmas as a
combined gift - but need to put in a tentative request as to model and make
- you have all been immensely helpful. Thank you so much.
(Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare as far as I'm concerned, and having read
endlessly on the subject in the past, I was never impressed by any other
argument. I am particularly irritated by the treasons people give for
Shakespeare having been too much of an 'uneducated nobody' to have written
what came out under his name.
But that's all beside the point. Margie, your 1959 version of a brain is
admirably modern as far as my even older version is concerned. And yours is
kept well oiled too by the sound of it.
So to everybody - thanks again - loads!
Cheers,
Barbara






-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of MD Deck
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:46 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch




Hi Barbara:

My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at
Starbucks):

The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'. It
is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying
but aren't quite ready to invest in. It is wonderful for blowing the text
up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...

I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff
with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork
and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go
back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.

I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the
1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...
:)

Margie

________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd



Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

For an excellent, easy read on the argument if Shakespeare did actually write as attributed is to be found in Bill Bryson's wonderful book on the subject!

And, for what its worth, I, too, think the arguments I've read for authorship belonging to someone besides the bard are lame.


________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch


 

To buy or not to buy a Kindle - I do greatly appreciate all the information
and will study it at length. I've been promised something for Christmas as a
combined gift - but need to put in a tentative request as to model and make
- you have all been immensely helpful. Thank you so much.
(Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare as far as I'm concerned, and having read
endlessly on the subject in the past, I was never impressed by any other
argument. I am particularly irritated by the treasons people give for
Shakespeare having been too much of an 'uneducated nobody' to have written
what came out under his name.
But that's all beside the point. Margie, your 1959 version of a brain is
admirably modern as far as my even older version is concerned. And yours is
kept well oiled too by the sound of it.
So to everybody - thanks again - loads!
Cheers,
Barbara






-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of MD Deck
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:46 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch

Hi Barbara:

My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at
Starbucks):

The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'. It
is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying
but aren't quite ready to invest in. It is wonderful for blowing the text
up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...

I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff
with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork
and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go
back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.

I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the
1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...
:)

Margie

________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd

Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Yes, we think alike. I loved Bill Bryson's book amongst others.



-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of MD Deck
Sent: Friday, 7 October 2011 4:35 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Shakespeare and such..a bit off
topic




For an excellent, easy read on the argument if Shakespeare did actually
write as attributed is to be found in Bill Bryson's wonderful book on the
subject!

And, for what its worth, I, too, think the arguments I've read for
authorship belonging to someone besides the bard are lame.

________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch



To buy or not to buy a Kindle - I do greatly appreciate all the information
and will study it at length. I've been promised something for Christmas as a
combined gift - but need to put in a tentative request as to model and make
- you have all been immensely helpful. Thank you so much.
(Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare as far as I'm concerned, and having read
endlessly on the subject in the past, I was never impressed by any other
argument. I am particularly irritated by the treasons people give for
Shakespeare having been too much of an 'uneducated nobody' to have written
what came out under his name.
But that's all beside the point. Margie, your 1959 version of a brain is
admirably modern as far as my even older version is concerned. And yours is
kept well oiled too by the sound of it.
So to everybody - thanks again - loads!
Cheers,
Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of MD Deck
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:46 AM
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Kindle for Reading, Reasearch

Hi Barbara:

My opinion, for what its worth (it and $4 will almost get you some coffee at
Starbucks):

The Kindle is wonderful for travel--carry lots of books 'in my purse'. It
is wonderful for reading samples of books that you are thinking about buying
but aren't quite ready to invest in. It is wonderful for blowing the text
up big on those days when vision is cranky (have them too), but...

I find it annoying as heck for using footnotes---and I read lots of stuff
with footnotes, and I find it annoying as heck for trying to view artwork
and the notes under artwork, and I find it cumbersome to try to use to go
back and forth between different books to compare a quote or citation.

I have the Christmas 2010 version, so newer may be better---and I have the
1959 version of a brain so I may not use the technology to its fullest ...
:)

Margie

________________________________
From: barbara <barbaragd@... <mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au>
<mailto:barbaragd%40activ8.net.au> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: October 2nd

Dear Joan (and everyone), That group looks really interesting and I shall
get a lot out of that - thanks so much - and well done on the really nice
interesting review.

I shall follow up on everything as quickly as I can - thank you everybody.

The endorsements for Kindle are interesting - I don't own one in spite of
having published my work that way - but perhaps I should consider buying
one.

I have a deep love of the traditional hard copy and my book collection takes
up more than half my living room. I also like to keep several research books
spread open at the relevant pages across my desk - Annette's Maligned King
to my right - Kendall to my left, Ackroyd's London centre left and so on.
And that certainly means hard copy. But now I have eyesight problems and am
becoming slightly vision challenged - perhaps the Kindle is the best future
after all. Could anyone say which product is the best?

Sorry for keeping off-subject - I shall be good and keep quiet after this.

Cheers - Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
joanszechtman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 5:05 AM
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: October 2nd

Hi Barbara,

I can't remember if I mentioned it to you in my email, but I strongly
suggest you check out the Independent Author's Guild
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IAG-members/> Yahoo discussion group.
Much of what is discussed here has to do with marketing and producing
indie books.

Joan
---
author of This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, novels about Richard III in
the 21st-century
This Time was General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie
Book Awards
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "barbara"
<barbaragd@...>
wrote:
>
> You are all so kind, thanks very much.
> A few different people have recommended the use of Blogs, so
presumably this
> is a very valid method of marketing online - I've even got some idea
of what
> this means now. Originally you might just as well have recommended a
trip to
> Mars. I shall get there eventually (the blog - not Mars unfortunately)
but
> in the meantime 'Linkedin' sounds brilliant and I shall investigate
that one
> first.
> The optimisation of keywords is another whole new idea to me - but it
makes
> tremendous sense. I shall enjoy setting that up. Dear Flo, I shall
contact
> you offsite next week if I may, to see just how a successful profile
works.
> Tremendously helpful - thanks again.
> Yes - Facebook makes me feel particularly inadequate since most of the
world
> seems to use it quite easily but I still find it confusing.
> And Dorothea, thank you so much - I am not up to producing a website
yet but
> that may come in the future. First I shall certainly contact you for a
> profile to go on the RIII NSW pages over the next couple of days.
> There are a good many independent authors exploring the dark avenues
of
> self-promotion these days and many know a good deal more than I do -
but
> many others are nearly as ignorant as I am. All your encouragement and
> advice will hopefully help others apart from myself.
> Thanks again to everyone.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Florence
Dove
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 12:51 AM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: October 2nd
>
> Hello Barbara,
>
> Congratulations on the both the published and the upcoming book! I
hope they
> will be wildly successful for you.
>
> I have a retail internet business and do a great deal of
self-promotion in
> the interests of saving advertising dollars. You might consider a blog
such
> as WordPress or Blogger. I use Blogger (a Google product) which is
free and
> easy to use. Perhaps others on the list can speak to WordPress which I
have
> not used.
>
> I'd also recommend establishing a professional profile on LinkedIn
(also
> free for the basic profile). There you can also connect your blog so
that
> your blog updates will propagate through your LinkedIn connections.
>
> Of course there's Facebook- a fan page would be helpful although I
haven't
> found Facebook especially easy to use for e-commerce- and Twitter.
And
> again, these can all be interlinked via LinkedIn and Google.
>
> One especially important objective is to determine the search engine
> optimization (SEO) keywords that apply to your books and use them
> consistently. For example, my key words are cording, fabric fringe,
blanket
> binding, etc. since I sell home decorating and sewing trims.
>
> The above are very basic suggestions. I'm sure others on the list
will have
> more. If you'd like to see my various profiles / Facebook store page
etc.
> you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bon chance!
> Flo
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:04 PM, barbara wrote:
>
> > This seems like the perfect day to finally introduce myself - and I
must
> > start with a toast, salute and appreciative thanks to a man I so
greatly
> > admire, and who has introduced me to the most fascinating historical
era I
> > could ever imagine.
> >
> > But, although a member of this group forum for several years, and
also a
> > member of the RIII Society (Aussie branch), I have never before
posted
> > anything on the site. I've just enjoyed reading everyone else's!
> >
> > So now this is horribly OT I'm afraid, but here goes anyway. I have
> recently
> > published my first book - FAIR WEATHER by BARBARA GASKELL DENVIL -
on
> > Amazon's Kindle, and that's about to spread out to other e.book
formats.
> > This novel is actually a fantasy set in the early 1200s, so not
relevant
> to
> > Richard at all I'm afraid. I've had some pretty favourable reviews
so far
> -
> > but it's early days and self-promotion and marketing are a new and
> daunting
> > world to me and I'm a long way behind.
> >
> > My next book (SATIN CINNABAR) is more straightforward historical
> > adventure/mystery/romance - no fantasy - and actually starts on the
> Bosworth
> > battlefield. It then proceeds to cover the first few months of the
Tudor
> > usurpation. Clearly Richard will not be playing a large part on a
personal
> > level but he is actually more than simply an inspiration and
background
> > influence. That's going to be published sometime over the next few
weeks -
> > same system - Amazon and all other e.book formats. I've had some
nice
> > feedback on this book too but I have to wait until I finalise a
cover
> before
> > being able to publish.
> >
> > However, as a complete ignoramus online, I wondered if anyone has
any
> > suggestions for simple self marketing that doesn't involve a
university
> > degree? I'm even feeling challenged by Facebook so far. I think I'm
a
> fairly
> > good writer but I'm quickly discovering just how stupid I can be in
other
> > directions. Any hints would be brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks - Barbara
> >
> > (Barbara Gaskell Denvil)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>