Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 14:43:14
i watched the first episode of this series.
the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
think i'll take in another episode.
it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by buckingham.
paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that the
tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process of
plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode to
me.
some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for the
series rome. WRONG.
the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms romps
to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had to
constantly fight the urge to change channels.
roslyn
the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
think i'll take in another episode.
it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by buckingham.
paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that the
tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process of
plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode to
me.
some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for the
series rome. WRONG.
the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms romps
to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had to
constantly fight the urge to change channels.
roslyn
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 17:44:02
Interesting comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
much like them.
--- In , "fayreroze"
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> i watched the first episode of this series.
>
> the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
> stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
>
> the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> think i'll take in another episode.
>
> it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
buckingham.
> paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
the
> tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
> buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
> had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
of
> plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
to
> me.
>
> some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
the
> series rome. WRONG.
>
> the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
romps
> to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
>
> on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had
to
> constantly fight the urge to change channels.
>
> roslyn
>
here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
much like them.
--- In , "fayreroze"
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> i watched the first episode of this series.
>
> the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
> stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
>
> the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> think i'll take in another episode.
>
> it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
buckingham.
> paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
the
> tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
> buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
> had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
of
> plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
to
> me.
>
> some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
the
> series rome. WRONG.
>
> the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
romps
> to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
>
> on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had
to
> constantly fight the urge to change channels.
>
> roslyn
>
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 19:16:11
see below...
theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
much like them.
===
i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american promotion of it.
it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a holiday..columbus day.
elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled the catholic church.
and then there is the american revolution that said no more monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
roslyn
--- In , "fayreroze"
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> i watched the first episode of this series.
>
> the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
> stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
>
> the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> think i'll take in another episode.
>
> it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
buckingham.
> paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
the
> tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
> buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
> had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
of
> plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
to
> me.
>
> some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
the
> series rome. WRONG.
>
> the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
romps
> to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
>
> on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had
to
> constantly fight the urge to change channels.
>
> roslyn
>
theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
much like them.
===
i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american promotion of it.
it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a holiday..columbus day.
elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled the catholic church.
and then there is the american revolution that said no more monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
roslyn
--- In , "fayreroze"
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> i watched the first episode of this series.
>
> the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
> stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
>
> the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> think i'll take in another episode.
>
> it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
buckingham.
> paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
the
> tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
> buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
> had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
of
> plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
to
> me.
>
> some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
the
> series rome. WRONG.
>
> the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
romps
> to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
>
> on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had
to
> constantly fight the urge to change channels.
>
> roslyn
>
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 19:28:02
I remember the first time I read anything about Henry VII. It was in the author's note of a fictional diary of the 13-year-old future Elizabeth I, and it said something about him killing Richard and claiming Richard's niece for his wife, in almost those words. It went on to add that while he may have ended most of the in-fighting of the nobility, it also mentioned him having a "cold and miserly personality". Though the book was clearly geared toward young girls and was extremely sympathetic to Elizabeth, something tells me the author isn't a fan of the dynasty as a whole.
fayre rose <fayreroze@...> wrote: see below...
theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
much like them.
===
i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american promotion of it.
it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a holiday..columbus day.
elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled the catholic church.
and then there is the american revolution that said no more monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
roslyn
--- In , "fayreroze"
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> i watched the first episode of this series.
>
> the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
> stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
>
> the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> think i'll take in another episode.
>
> it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
buckingham.
> paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
the
> tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
> buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
> had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
of
> plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
to
> me.
>
> some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
the
> series rome. WRONG.
>
> the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
romps
> to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
>
> on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had
to
> constantly fight the urge to change channels.
>
> roslyn
>
fayre rose <fayreroze@...> wrote: see below...
theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
much like them.
===
i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american promotion of it.
it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a holiday..columbus day.
elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled the catholic church.
and then there is the american revolution that said no more monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
roslyn
--- In , "fayreroze"
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> i watched the first episode of this series.
>
> the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did not
> stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
>
> the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> think i'll take in another episode.
>
> it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
buckingham.
> paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
the
> tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned by
> buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's father
> had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
of
> plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
to
> me.
>
> some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
the
> series rome. WRONG.
>
> the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
romps
> to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
>
> on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i had
to
> constantly fight the urge to change channels.
>
> roslyn
>
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 19:52:14
theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
> Strange how TV and film has this great
> obsession with Henry VIII and his
> syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period
> is just as dramatic and full of characters.
I can sort of understand the fascination with Elizabeth, since she was the first queen to reign
alone instead of just being some king's wife. But Henry, I have no explanation. I can't think of a
single admirable thing he did, and I don't see why being a selfish murderous slimeball should make
someone interesting. Infamous, perhaps, but not interesting.
As for why people aren't as interested in the Yorkist period, it's probably because they're too
lazy to learn enough to understand what was going on. :-P
Take care,
Kat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com
> Strange how TV and film has this great
> obsession with Henry VIII and his
> syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period
> is just as dramatic and full of characters.
I can sort of understand the fascination with Elizabeth, since she was the first queen to reign
alone instead of just being some king's wife. But Henry, I have no explanation. I can't think of a
single admirable thing he did, and I don't see why being a selfish murderous slimeball should make
someone interesting. Infamous, perhaps, but not interesting.
As for why people aren't as interested in the Yorkist period, it's probably because they're too
lazy to learn enough to understand what was going on. :-P
Take care,
Kat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 21:42:12
--- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> see below...
>
> theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting
comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt
a
> British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
> No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
changed
> so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
> Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
and
> his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
and
> full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
> much like them.
> ===
> i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
promotion of it.
> it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
holiday..columbus day.
> elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal
and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
the catholic church.
{not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the Tydder
Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
ten miles out of town. S.}
> and then there is the american revolution that said no more
monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
> it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> roslyn
>
> --- In , "fayreroze"
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > i watched the first episode of this series.
> >
> > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
not
> > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> >
> > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> > think i'll take in another episode.
> >
> > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> buckingham.
> > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> the
> > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
by
> > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
father
> > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
> of
> > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
> to
> > me.
> >
> > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> the
> > series rome. WRONG.
> >
> > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> romps
> > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
> >
> > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
had
> to
> > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> >
> > roslyn
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> see below...
>
> theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting
comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt
a
> British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
> No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
changed
> so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
> Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
and
> his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
and
> full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
> much like them.
> ===
> i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
promotion of it.
> it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
holiday..columbus day.
> elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal
and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
the catholic church.
{not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the Tydder
Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
ten miles out of town. S.}
> and then there is the american revolution that said no more
monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
> it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> roslyn
>
> --- In , "fayreroze"
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > i watched the first episode of this series.
> >
> > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
not
> > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> >
> > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> > think i'll take in another episode.
> >
> > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> buckingham.
> > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> the
> > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
by
> > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
father
> > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
> of
> > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
> to
> > me.
> >
> > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> the
> > series rome. WRONG.
> >
> > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> romps
> > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
> >
> > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
had
> to
> > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> >
> > roslyn
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 21:42:44
>I can sort of understand the fascination with Elizabeth, since she was the first queen to reign
>alone instead of just being some king's wife...
>Take care,
>Kat
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not quite: Isabel the Catholic was queen proprietress of Castile, would have been so if she'd never even met Fernando, and was the stronger, more powerful half of the partnership -- as a matter of fact, the French went so far as to nickname Fernando "Jean Gipon" ("Johh Petticoats") because of his actual standing. When Isabel died, Fernando lost all command over Castile, and most of his political clout until he foxxed his way back by outliving his son-in-law, Philip the Handsome and by dis-enfranchising his daughter, another queen proprietress, Juana of Castile.
There's also Mary Tudor, Elizabeth's half-sister and daughter of Catherine of Aragon and Henry VIII (and Jane Grey, the nine-day queen, but she had less than no chance to make a political name for herself). Mary was married to Philip II of Spain, but Mary ruled England.
Though not queens in name, two very powerful women had their say in politics before Elizabeth: Margaret of Austria, Regent of the Netherlands; and Anne of Beaujeu, daughter of Louis XI and extremely powerful regent during the minority of Charles VIII (Margaret of Austria knew both Anne of Beaujeu and Isabel the Catholic and may have learned a thing or two from them).
Elizabeth I certainly stands out in many ways, but she did have female examples to follow (or not) when her time to rule came.
Maria
elena@...
>alone instead of just being some king's wife...
>Take care,
>Kat
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not quite: Isabel the Catholic was queen proprietress of Castile, would have been so if she'd never even met Fernando, and was the stronger, more powerful half of the partnership -- as a matter of fact, the French went so far as to nickname Fernando "Jean Gipon" ("Johh Petticoats") because of his actual standing. When Isabel died, Fernando lost all command over Castile, and most of his political clout until he foxxed his way back by outliving his son-in-law, Philip the Handsome and by dis-enfranchising his daughter, another queen proprietress, Juana of Castile.
There's also Mary Tudor, Elizabeth's half-sister and daughter of Catherine of Aragon and Henry VIII (and Jane Grey, the nine-day queen, but she had less than no chance to make a political name for herself). Mary was married to Philip II of Spain, but Mary ruled England.
Though not queens in name, two very powerful women had their say in politics before Elizabeth: Margaret of Austria, Regent of the Netherlands; and Anne of Beaujeu, daughter of Louis XI and extremely powerful regent during the minority of Charles VIII (Margaret of Austria knew both Anne of Beaujeu and Isabel the Catholic and may have learned a thing or two from them).
Elizabeth I certainly stands out in many ways, but she did have female examples to follow (or not) when her time to rule came.
Maria
elena@...
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 21:53:28
On 3 Oct 2007, at 19:52, Rogue wrote:
> I can sort of understand the fascination with Elizabeth, since she
> was the first queen to reign
> alone instead of just being some king's wife.
Er, thought she had an elder sister called Mary???? :-)
Paul
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
> I can sort of understand the fascination with Elizabeth, since she
> was the first queen to reign
> alone instead of just being some king's wife.
Er, thought she had an elder sister called Mary???? :-)
Paul
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 22:00:52
theblackprussian wrote:
>Interesting comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
>here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
>British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
>No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
>so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
>Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
>his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
>full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
>Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
>much like them.
>
>-
>
**With Elizabeth, it could be because of the change in England that took
place while she ruled, much of it her doing. And many of the people who
lived during her time are known because of the exploration of America,
so there's an easily made link in people's minds. With Henry, well,
Hollywood has always had a thing for sex scandals...and horror movies.
It's probably the same reason they see no reason to ever give equal time
to a more realistic portrayal of Richard.
Gilda
>Interesting comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
>here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt a
>British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
>No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been changed
>so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
>Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII and
>his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic and
>full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
>Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
>much like them.
>
>-
>
**With Elizabeth, it could be because of the change in England that took
place while she ruled, much of it her doing. And many of the people who
lived during her time are known because of the exploration of America,
so there's an easily made link in people's minds. With Henry, well,
Hollywood has always had a thing for sex scandals...and horror movies.
It's probably the same reason they see no reason to ever give equal time
to a more realistic portrayal of Richard.
Gilda
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 22:13:00
On 3 Oct 2007, at 17:18, theblackprussian wrote:
> Henry VIII and
> his syphilitic offspring
Syphilitic? That Henry had syphilis and passed it on to his children
has been disproved many times now.
Paul
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
> Henry VIII and
> his syphilitic offspring
Syphilitic? That Henry had syphilis and passed it on to his children
has been disproved many times now.
Paul
"Richard Liveth Yet!"
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 22:14:19
the first attempt to colonise british north america virginia was in 1585-7 by sir walter raliegh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_of_Roanoke
jamestown was 1607ish.
the spanish were colonising the southern usa, florida from 1513 onwards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Florida
and in 1497 jean cabot was setting british claims to what is now known as the maritime provinces of canada for h7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Cabot
there was even a papal bull issued to give the spanish the sole right to north america in 1493. i bet with a bit of research one would find catherine of aragon's dowery included the right to explore the northern parts of america.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_Caetera
amazing how propaganda works huh. jamestown blvd in england, named for an british colony, now american.
ask the developer if they plan to recognise jean cabot? america is canada's younger sibling by almost 200 years.
now that's something they don't teach ya in school.
roslyn
Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
--- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> see below...
>
> theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting
comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt
a
> British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
> No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
changed
> so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
> Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
and
> his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
and
> full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
> much like them.
> ===
> i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
promotion of it.
> it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
holiday..columbus day.
> elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal
and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
the catholic church.
{not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the Tydder
Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
ten miles out of town. S.}
> and then there is the american revolution that said no more
monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
> it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> roslyn
>
> --- In , "fayreroze"
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > i watched the first episode of this series.
> >
> > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
not
> > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> >
> > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> > think i'll take in another episode.
> >
> > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> buckingham.
> > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> the
> > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
by
> > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
father
> > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
> of
> > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
> to
> > me.
> >
> > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> the
> > series rome. WRONG.
> >
> > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> romps
> > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
> >
> > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
had
> to
> > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> >
> > roslyn
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_of_Roanoke
jamestown was 1607ish.
the spanish were colonising the southern usa, florida from 1513 onwards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Florida
and in 1497 jean cabot was setting british claims to what is now known as the maritime provinces of canada for h7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Cabot
there was even a papal bull issued to give the spanish the sole right to north america in 1493. i bet with a bit of research one would find catherine of aragon's dowery included the right to explore the northern parts of america.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_Caetera
amazing how propaganda works huh. jamestown blvd in england, named for an british colony, now american.
ask the developer if they plan to recognise jean cabot? america is canada's younger sibling by almost 200 years.
now that's something they don't teach ya in school.
roslyn
Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
--- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> see below...
>
> theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting
comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt
a
> British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
> No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
changed
> so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
> Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
and
> his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
and
> full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
> much like them.
> ===
> i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
promotion of it.
> it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
holiday..columbus day.
> elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal
and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
the catholic church.
{not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the Tydder
Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
ten miles out of town. S.}
> and then there is the american revolution that said no more
monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
> it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> roslyn
>
> --- In , "fayreroze"
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > i watched the first episode of this series.
> >
> > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
not
> > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> >
> > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> > think i'll take in another episode.
> >
> > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> buckingham.
> > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> the
> > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
by
> > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
father
> > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
> of
> > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
> to
> > me.
> >
> > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> the
> > series rome. WRONG.
> >
> > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> romps
> > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
> >
> > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
had
> to
> > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> >
> > roslyn
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 23:05:58
I am afraid the Tudor period will always be more popular than the
Yorkist period, because the Tudor age was the start of the modern era,
whereas Richard III and the Yorkists are perceived as being
Medieval. In other words, the Tudors were Protestants, nationalists and
English speakers who were on the road to democracy and representative
forms of government, while the Yorkists were backward, Catholic and
feudal. I know this is totally unfair, insofar as the Ricardians were
themselves potential modernisers, but the fact is they were defeated by
the Tudors - who thereby took all the credit!
Yorkist period, because the Tudor age was the start of the modern era,
whereas Richard III and the Yorkists are perceived as being
Medieval. In other words, the Tudors were Protestants, nationalists and
English speakers who were on the road to democracy and representative
forms of government, while the Yorkists were backward, Catholic and
feudal. I know this is totally unfair, insofar as the Ricardians were
themselves potential modernisers, but the fact is they were defeated by
the Tudors - who thereby took all the credit!
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 23:10:52
I've heard rumors that Richard was sympathetic to what would eventually become Protestantism- is that true?
"Stanley C.Jenkins" <stanleyc.jenkins@...> wrote: I am afraid the Tudor period will always be more popular than the
Yorkist period, because the Tudor age was the start of the modern era,
whereas Richard III and the Yorkists are perceived as being
Medieval. In other words, the Tudors were Protestants, nationalists and
English speakers who were on the road to democracy and representative
forms of government, while the Yorkists were backward, Catholic and
feudal. I know this is totally unfair, insofar as the Ricardians were
themselves potential modernisers, but the fact is they were defeated by
the Tudors - who thereby took all the credit!
"Stanley C.Jenkins" <stanleyc.jenkins@...> wrote: I am afraid the Tudor period will always be more popular than the
Yorkist period, because the Tudor age was the start of the modern era,
whereas Richard III and the Yorkists are perceived as being
Medieval. In other words, the Tudors were Protestants, nationalists and
English speakers who were on the road to democracy and representative
forms of government, while the Yorkists were backward, Catholic and
feudal. I know this is totally unfair, insofar as the Ricardians were
themselves potential modernisers, but the fact is they were defeated by
the Tudors - who thereby took all the credit!
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-03 23:43:06
I believe that, had he lived, Richard III would have been a moderniser
who may well have been sympathetic to nascent Protestantism. We know,
for example, that his short reign produced the first laws written in
English as opposed to Latin, which was by any definition a major step
towards the future.
who may well have been sympathetic to nascent Protestantism. We know,
for example, that his short reign produced the first laws written in
English as opposed to Latin, which was by any definition a major step
towards the future.
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-04 03:22:11
Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do sound quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy reading your posts.
Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: --- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> see below...
>
> theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting
comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt
a
> British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
> No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
changed
> so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
> Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
and
> his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
and
> full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
> much like them.
> ===
> i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
promotion of it.
> it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
holiday..columbus day.
> elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal
and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
the catholic church.
{not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the Tydder
Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
ten miles out of town. S.}
> and then there is the american revolution that said no more
monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
> it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> roslyn
>
> --- In , "fayreroze"
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > i watched the first episode of this series.
> >
> > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
not
> > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> >
> > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> > think i'll take in another episode.
> >
> > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> buckingham.
> > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> the
> > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
by
> > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
father
> > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
> of
> > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
> to
> > me.
> >
> > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> the
> > series rome. WRONG.
> >
> > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> romps
> > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
> >
> > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
had
> to
> > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> >
> > roslyn
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: --- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> see below...
>
> theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote: Interesting
comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they felt
a
> British audience wouldn't need the political background explaining.
> No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
changed
> so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
>
> Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
and
> his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
and
> full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely look
> much like them.
> ===
> i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
promotion of it.
> it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
holiday..columbus day.
> elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the scandal
and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
the catholic church.
{not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the Tydder
Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
ten miles out of town. S.}
> and then there is the american revolution that said no more
monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering stars.
> it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> roslyn
>
> --- In , "fayreroze"
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > i watched the first episode of this series.
> >
> > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
not
> > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> >
> > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i don't
> > think i'll take in another episode.
> >
> > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> buckingham.
> > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> the
> > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
by
> > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
father
> > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the process
> of
> > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the episode
> to
> > me.
> >
> > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> the
> > series rome. WRONG.
> >
> > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> romps
> > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and painful.
> >
> > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
had
> to
> > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> >
> > roslyn
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-04 08:45:42
Ouch, these posts are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to be
the explanation of his character change.
--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do sound
quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy reading
your posts.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: --- In
, fayre rose
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > see below...
> >
> > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
felt
> a
> > British audience wouldn't need the political background
explaining.
> > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> changed
> > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> >
> > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
> and
> > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
> and
> > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
look
> > much like them.
> > ===
> > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> promotion of it.
> > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> holiday..columbus day.
> > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
scandal
> and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
> the catholic church.
>
> {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
Tydder
> Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
> Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
> ten miles out of town. S.}
>
> > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
stars.
> > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > roslyn
> >
> > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > >
> > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
> not
> > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > >
> > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
don't
> > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > >
> > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > buckingham.
> > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> > the
> > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
> by
> > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> father
> > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
process
> > of
> > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
episode
> > to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> > the
> > > series rome. WRONG.
> > >
> > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> > romps
> > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
painful.
> > >
> > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
> had
> > to
> > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > >
> > > roslyn
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
>
>
that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to be
the explanation of his character change.
--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do sound
quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy reading
your posts.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: --- In
, fayre rose
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > see below...
> >
> > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
felt
> a
> > British audience wouldn't need the political background
explaining.
> > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> changed
> > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> >
> > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
> and
> > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
> and
> > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
look
> > much like them.
> > ===
> > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> promotion of it.
> > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> holiday..columbus day.
> > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
scandal
> and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
> the catholic church.
>
> {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
Tydder
> Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
> Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
> ten miles out of town. S.}
>
> > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
stars.
> > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > roslyn
> >
> > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > >
> > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
> not
> > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > >
> > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
don't
> > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > >
> > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > buckingham.
> > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> > the
> > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
> by
> > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> father
> > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
process
> > of
> > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
episode
> > to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> > the
> > > series rome. WRONG.
> > >
> > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> > romps
> > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
painful.
> > >
> > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
> had
> > to
> > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > >
> > > roslyn
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> Check out fun summer activities for kids.
>
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>
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-04 13:40:14
Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the post then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about no matter what their faults.
Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to be
the explanation of his character change.
--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do sound
quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy reading
your posts.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: --- In
, fayre rose
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > see below...
> >
> > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
felt
> a
> > British audience wouldn't need the political background
explaining.
> > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> changed
> > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> >
> > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
> and
> > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
> and
> > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
look
> > much like them.
> > ===
> > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> promotion of it.
> > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> holiday..columbus day.
> > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
scandal
> and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
> the catholic church.
>
> {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
Tydder
> Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
> Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
> ten miles out of town. S.}
>
> > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
stars.
> > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > roslyn
> >
> > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > >
> > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
> not
> > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > >
> > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
don't
> > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > >
> > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > buckingham.
> > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> > the
> > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
> by
> > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> father
> > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
process
> > of
> > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
episode
> > to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> > the
> > > series rome. WRONG.
> > >
> > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> > romps
> > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
painful.
> > >
> > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
> had
> > to
> > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > >
> > > roslyn
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> Check out fun summer activities for kids.
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Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to be
the explanation of his character change.
--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do sound
quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy reading
your posts.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: --- In
, fayre rose
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> > see below...
> >
> > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
felt
> a
> > British audience wouldn't need the political background
explaining.
> > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> changed
> > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> >
> > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry VIII
> and
> > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as dramatic
> and
> > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of he
> > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
look
> > much like them.
> > ===
> > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> promotion of it.
> > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> holiday..columbus day.
> > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
scandal
> and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he toppled
> the catholic church.
>
> {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
Tydder
> Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with a
> Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came from
> ten miles out of town. S.}
>
> > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
stars.
> > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > roslyn
> >
> > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > >
> > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors did
> not
> > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > >
> > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
don't
> > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > >
> > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > buckingham.
> > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and that
> > the
> > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly mentioned
> by
> > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> father
> > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
process
> > of
> > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
episode
> > to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement for
> > the
> > > series rome. WRONG.
> > >
> > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from bedrooms
> > romps
> > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
painful.
> > >
> > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series. i
> had
> > to
> > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > >
> > > roslyn
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> Check out fun summer activities for kids.
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Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-04 18:52:45
--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the post
then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about no
matter what their faults.
OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The Lost
Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in person.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts
are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to
be
> the explanation of his character change.
>
> --- In , norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
sound
> quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
reading
> your posts.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> , fayre rose
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > see below...
> > >
> > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
> felt
> > a
> > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> explaining.
> > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> > changed
> > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > >
> > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
VIII
> > and
> > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
dramatic
> > and
> > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of
he
> > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
> look
> > > much like them.
> > > ===
> > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> > promotion of it.
> > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > holiday..columbus day.
> > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> scandal
> > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
toppled
> > the catholic church.
> >
> > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
> Tydder
> > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with
a
> > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
from
> > ten miles out of town. S.}
> >
> > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
> stars.
> > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > roslyn
> > >
> > > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > >
> > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors
did
> > not
> > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > >
> > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
> don't
> > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > >
> > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > buckingham.
> > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and
that
> > > the
> > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
mentioned
> > by
> > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> > father
> > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> process
> > > of
> > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> episode
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement
for
> > > the
> > > > series rome. WRONG.
> > > >
> > > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from
bedrooms
> > > romps
> > > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
> painful.
> > > >
> > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series.
i
> > had
> > > to
> > > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > > >
> > > > roslyn
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Got a little couch potato?
> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.
>
>
>
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the post
then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about no
matter what their faults.
OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The Lost
Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in person.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts
are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to
be
> the explanation of his character change.
>
> --- In , norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
sound
> quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
reading
> your posts.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> , fayre rose
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > see below...
> > >
> > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
> felt
> > a
> > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> explaining.
> > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> > changed
> > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > >
> > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
VIII
> > and
> > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
dramatic
> > and
> > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of
he
> > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
> look
> > > much like them.
> > > ===
> > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> > promotion of it.
> > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > holiday..columbus day.
> > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> scandal
> > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
toppled
> > the catholic church.
> >
> > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
> Tydder
> > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with
a
> > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
from
> > ten miles out of town. S.}
> >
> > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
> stars.
> > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > roslyn
> > >
> > > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > >
> > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors
did
> > not
> > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > >
> > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
> don't
> > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > >
> > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > buckingham.
> > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and
that
> > > the
> > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
mentioned
> > by
> > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> > father
> > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> process
> > > of
> > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> episode
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement
for
> > > the
> > > > series rome. WRONG.
> > > >
> > > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from
bedrooms
> > > romps
> > > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
> painful.
> > > >
> > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series.
i
> > had
> > > to
> > > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > > >
> > > > roslyn
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Got a little couch potato?
> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-04 22:08:31
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...>
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:52:16
To:
Subject: Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
--- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the post
then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about no
matter what their faults.
OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The Lost
Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in person.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts
are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to
be
> the explanation of his character change.
>
> --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
sound
> quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
reading
> your posts.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], fayre rose
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > see below...
> > >
> > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
> felt
> > a
> > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> explaining.
> > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> > changed
> > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > >
> > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
VIII
> > and
> > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
dramatic
> > and
> > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of
he
> > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
> look
> > > much like them.
> > > ===
> > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> > promotion of it.
> > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > holiday..columbus day.
> > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> scandal
> > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
toppled
> > the catholic church.
> >
> > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
> Tydder
> > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with
a
> > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
from
> > ten miles out of town. S.}
> >
> > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
> stars.
> > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > roslyn
> > >
> > > --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], "fayreroze"
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > >
> > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors
did
> > not
> > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > >
> > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
> don't
> > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > >
> > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > buckingham.
> > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and
that
> > > the
> > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
mentioned
> > by
> > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> > father
> > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> process
> > > of
> > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> episode
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement
for
> > > the
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bedrooms
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> painful.
> > > >
> > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series.
i
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> > > >
> > >
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...>
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:52:16
To:
Subject: Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
--- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the post
then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about no
matter what their faults.
OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The Lost
Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in person.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts
are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to
be
> the explanation of his character change.
>
> --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
sound
> quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
reading
> your posts.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], fayre rose
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > see below...
> > >
> > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
> felt
> > a
> > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> explaining.
> > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> > changed
> > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > >
> > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
VIII
> > and
> > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
dramatic
> > and
> > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of
he
> > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
> look
> > > much like them.
> > > ===
> > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> > promotion of it.
> > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > holiday..columbus day.
> > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> scandal
> > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
toppled
> > the catholic church.
> >
> > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
> Tydder
> > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with
a
> > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
from
> > ten miles out of town. S.}
> >
> > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
> stars.
> > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > roslyn
> > >
> > > --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], "fayreroze"
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > >
> > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors
did
> > not
> > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > >
> > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
> don't
> > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > >
> > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > buckingham.
> > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and
that
> > > the
> > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
mentioned
> > by
> > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> > father
> > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> process
> > > of
> > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> episode
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement
for
> > > the
> > > > series rome. WRONG.
> > > >
> > > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from
bedrooms
> > > romps
> > > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
> painful.
> > > >
> > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series.
i
> > had
> > > to
> > > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > > >
> > > > roslyn
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-04 23:04:46
That looks like me sent to the Tower, then.
--- In , PamelaJButler@...
wrote:
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:52:16
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-
ted
>
>
> --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the
post
> then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about
no
> matter what their faults.
>
> OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
> the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The
Lost
> Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in
person.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: Ouch, these posts
> are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> > that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed
to
> be
> > the explanation of his character change.
> >
> > --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
> > <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
> sound
> > quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
> reading
> > your posts.
> > >
> > > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> > richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], fayre rose
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > see below...
> > > >
> > > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because
they
> > felt
> > > a
> > > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> > explaining.
> > > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has
been
> > > changed
> > > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
> VIII
> > > and
> > > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
> dramatic
> > > and
> > > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most
of
> he
> > > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen
rarely
> > look
> > > > much like them.
> > > > ===
> > > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the
american
> > > promotion of it.
> > > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > > holiday..columbus day.
> > > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named
for
> > > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom
mentioned in
> > > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> > scandal
> > > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
> toppled
> > > the catholic church.
> > >
> > > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after
the
> > Tydder
> > > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich
with
> a
> > > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
> from
> > > ten miles out of town. S.}
> > >
> > > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing.
if it
> > > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the
glittering
> > stars.
> > > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > > roslyn
> > > >
> > > > --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], "fayreroze"
> > > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > > >
> > > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the
actors
> did
> > > not
> > > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > > >
> > > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch.
i
> > don't
> > > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > > buckingham.
> > > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest,
and
> that
> > > > the
> > > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
> mentioned
> > > by
> > > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that
buckingham's
> > > father
> > > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> > process
> > > > of
> > > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> > episode
> > > > to
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable
replacement
> for
> > > > the
> > > > > series rome. WRONG.
> > > > >
> > > > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from
> bedrooms
> > > > romps
> > > > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
> > painful.
> > > > >
> > > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for
the
> > > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama
series.
> i
> > > had
> > > > to
> > > > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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>
> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:52:16
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-
ted
>
>
> --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the
post
> then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about
no
> matter what their faults.
>
> OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
> the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The
Lost
> Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in
person.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: Ouch, these posts
> are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> > that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed
to
> be
> > the explanation of his character change.
> >
> > --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], norma vieweg
> > <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
> sound
> > quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
> reading
> > your posts.
> > >
> > > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> > richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], fayre rose
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > see below...
> > > >
> > > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because
they
> > felt
> > > a
> > > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> > explaining.
> > > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has
been
> > > changed
> > > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
> VIII
> > > and
> > > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
> dramatic
> > > and
> > > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most
of
> he
> > > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen
rarely
> > look
> > > > much like them.
> > > > ===
> > > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the
american
> > > promotion of it.
> > > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > > holiday..columbus day.
> > > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named
for
> > > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom
mentioned in
> > > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> > scandal
> > > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
> toppled
> > > the catholic church.
> > >
> > > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after
the
> > Tydder
> > > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich
with
> a
> > > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
> from
> > > ten miles out of town. S.}
> > >
> > > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing.
if it
> > > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the
glittering
> > stars.
> > > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > > roslyn
> > > >
> > > > --- In richardiiisocietyfo <mailto:%
40yahoogroups.com> [email protected], "fayreroze"
> > > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > > >
> > > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the
actors
> did
> > > not
> > > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > > >
> > > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch.
i
> > don't
> > > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > > buckingham.
> > > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest,
and
> that
> > > > the
> > > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
> mentioned
> > > by
> > > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that
buckingham's
> > > father
> > > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> > process
> > > > of
> > > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> > episode
> > > > to
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable
replacement
> for
> > > > the
> > > > > series rome. WRONG.
> > > > >
> > > > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from
> bedrooms
> > > > romps
> > > > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
> > painful.
> > > > >
> > > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for
the
> > > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama
series.
> i
> > > had
> > > > to
> > > > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > > > >
> > > > > roslyn
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Tudor TV - dis-AH-point-ted
2007-10-05 01:08:10
Thank You Stephen
Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the post
then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about no
matter what their faults.
OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The Lost
Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in person.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts
are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to
be
> the explanation of his character change.
>
> --- In , norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
sound
> quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
reading
> your posts.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> , fayre rose
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > see below...
> > >
> > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
> felt
> > a
> > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> explaining.
> > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> > changed
> > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > >
> > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
VIII
> > and
> > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
dramatic
> > and
> > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of
he
> > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
> look
> > > much like them.
> > > ===
> > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> > promotion of it.
> > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > holiday..columbus day.
> > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> scandal
> > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
toppled
> > the catholic church.
> >
> > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
> Tydder
> > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with
a
> > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
from
> > ten miles out of town. S.}
> >
> > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
> stars.
> > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > roslyn
> > >
> > > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > >
> > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors
did
> > not
> > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > >
> > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
> don't
> > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > >
> > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > buckingham.
> > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and
that
> > > the
> > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
mentioned
> > by
> > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> > father
> > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> process
> > > of
> > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> episode
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement
for
> > > the
> > > > series rome. WRONG.
> > > >
> > > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from
bedrooms
> > > romps
> > > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
> painful.
> > > >
> > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series.
i
> > had
> > > to
> > > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > > >
> > > > roslyn
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
--- In , norma vieweg
<luckycharm6139@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for that then Stephen, I'm not sure than who wrote the post
then, but I try not to bad mouth anyone I'm trying to learn about no
matter what their faults.
OK - if you want to know some more recent theories about
the "Princes" try Ann Wroe's "Perkin" or David Baldwin's "The Lost
Prince". Both are fascinating and Ann Wroe was good to meet in person.
>
> Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote: Ouch, these posts
are getting a bit confused! I for one did not make
> that allegation - Henry's fall from a horse in 1536 is supposed to
be
> the explanation of his character change.
>
> --- In , norma vieweg
> <luckycharm6139@> wrote:
> >
> > Henry Vlll was not syphilitic, nor were his children. You do
sound
> quite bitter towards them. Thats a shame. I do usually enjoy
reading
> your posts.
> >
> > Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@> wrote: --- In
> , fayre rose
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > > see below...
> > >
> > > theblackprussian <theblackprussian@> wrote: Interesting
> > comparison with Rome. When that series was shown over
> > > here the BBC cut the first two episodes into one because they
> felt
> > a
> > > British audience wouldn't need the political background
> explaining.
> > > No evidence for that whatsoever, and if the history has been
> > changed
> > > so much it seems like a futile effort anyway.
> > >
> > > Strange how TV and film has this great obsession with Henry
VIII
> > and
> > > his syphilitic offspring. The Yorkist period is just as
dramatic
> > and
> > > full of characters. Perhaps it's because we know what most of
he
> > > Tudor lot looked like, but then again the actors chosen rarely
> look
> > > much like them.
> > > ===
> > > i think what draws people to the tudor era is all the american
> > promotion of it.
> > > it was during h7's reign columbus sailed..america has a
> > holiday..columbus day.
> > > elizabeth i, the first american colony, virginia is named for
> > her. h7 is almost a footnote in history. he's seldom mentioned in
> > mainsteam. e1's father gets a lot of attention because of the
> scandal
> > and intrigue..wot! married x6. killed off his wives too! he
toppled
> > the catholic church.
> >
> > {not forgetting that Virginia was founded four years after the
> Tydder
> > Era ended. There is a new mini-estate being built in Ipswich with
a
> > Virginia Avenue and Jamestown Boulevard, because Gosnold came
from
> > ten miles out of town. S.}
> >
> > > and then there is the american revolution that said no more
> > monarchy. so old georgie gets a bit of a mention.
> > > hollywood loved h8. the whole marriage and divorce thing. if it
> > was good enough for a king..then it was okay for the glittering
> stars.
> > > it be interesting for someone to compile who has more books
> > written about them. r3, h8 or e1.
> > > roslyn
> > >
> > > --- In , "fayreroze"
> > > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i watched the first episode of this series.
> > > >
> > > > the costuming isn't too bad. the performance of the actors
did
> > not
> > > > stand out. in fact some of them were worse than mediocre.
> > > >
> > > > the twisting of history was excruciatingly hard to watch. i
> don't
> > > > think i'll take in another episode.
> > > >
> > > > it's only redeeming quality was a brief few lines said by
> > > buckingham.
> > > > paraphrased...h8's father took the throne by conquest, and
that
> > > the
> > > > tudors lacked the breeding to be king. r3 was briefly
mentioned
> > by
> > > > buckingham as he explained to his cohorts that buckingham's
> > father
> > > > had taught him how to kill a king. buckingham was in the
> process
> > > of
> > > > plotting against h8. this was the only high point in the
> episode
> > > to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > some reviewer said, the tudors was a reasonable replacement
for
> > > the
> > > > series rome. WRONG.
> > > >
> > > > the first episode lacks fluidity, it jumps about from
bedrooms
> > > romps
> > > > to snippets of "intrique". the dialogue is immature and
> painful.
> > > >
> > > > on the whole.."the tudors" is nothing but eye candy for the
> > > > historically illiterate. it is not even a good drama series.
i
> > had
> > > to
> > > > constantly fight the urge to change channels.
> > > >
> > > > roslyn
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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