knight of bath age 5?

i'm doing a little STAFFORD research.
Edward b. 7 apr 1470, son of john.

would this be an error?
He was made a Knight of the Bath in 1475.

found at..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Stafford%2C_2nd_Earl_of_Wiltshire

the ceremony is described here under history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Bath#Knights_of_the_Bath

edward at age 3 was an earl, but would they really make a 5 year old
a knight of bath?

are there other known examples of knighthood being conferred on one
so young?

that is one outside the immediate royal family?

roslyn

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> edward at age 3 was an earl, but would they really make a 5 year
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> a knight of bath?
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> are there other known examples of knighthood being conferred on one
> so young?
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> that is one outside the immediate royal family?
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> roslyn
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Hi Roslyn

I know that Edward, the second Duke of York (albeit first cousin to
the king) was knighted at Richard II's coronation when he cannot have
been more than four at the utmost. It seems that age was not a
barrier if the king (or those acting for him) wanted to bestow an
honour.

Brian W

There must be a website somewhere with all of the Knights of the Bath on it. Obviously Edward's uncle (Harre Bokyngham) did consider himself to be an immediate Royal but he had children of his own, marginalising the Wiltshires.

----- Original Message -----
From: fayreroze
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Subject: knight of bath age 5?


i'm doing a little STAFFORD research.
Edward b. 7 apr 1470, son of john.

would this be an error?
He was made a Knight of the Bath in 1475.

found at..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Stafford%2C_2nd_Earl_of_Wiltshire

the ceremony is described here under history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Bath#Knights_of_the_Bath

edward at age 3 was an earl, but would they really make a 5 year old
a knight of bath?

are there other known examples of knighthood being conferred on one
so young?

that is one outside the immediate royal family?

roslyn

i was looking for a "research" short cut, hoping forum members could answer the question and/or provide examples. (thank you brian for your input re: edward of york)

earl edward was an orphan. his father died in may of 73, and his mother died in march of 75. he was knighted in april of 75 at the same time e5 was created the prince of wales.

i wonder if earl edward was living with the buckinghams. perhaps he was living with the immediate royal family too. he'd be the same age as the prince. a wonderful playmate of the right social class.

i just did a kinship report on e5, and earl edward. these boys were
2nd cousins, 4th cousins, 4th cousins twice removed, 5th cousins twice removed, 7th cousins once removed and finally 7th cousins twice removed.
(when these two boys played together, they were a family reunion unto itself)

btw, this young earl's father, john was an uncle to harre. (it's so easy to get these folks twisted about) they keep recycling the same names. anyhow, john was the 3rd son to humphrey b.1402 m. anne neville, b. abt 1411. this anne was an older sister to cecily, mother of e4 and r3.

earl edward was a first, third and fourth cousin to buckingham. the young earl eventually married margaret a dau of edward de grey/d'lisle who was e5's master of the horse.

i think the family connections and the boy's lack of surviving parents make it highly likely, e5 and he were lifelong playmates.

anyhow, while writing this response, i think i may have come up with an answer as to why the boy was knighted at age 5.
1. his friend was having a wonderful ceremony.
2. it would help him understand "he was all grown up"
3. a good distraction from the recent loss of his mother.
4. a bit of a belated birthday present.
he was born april 7 and knighted april 17th.

roslyn

Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
There must be a website somewhere with all of the Knights of the Bath on it. Obviously Edward's uncle (Harre Bokyngham) did consider himself to be an immediate Royal but he had children of his own, marginalising the Wiltshires.

----- Original Message -----
From: fayreroze
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:26 AM
Subject: knight of bath age 5?

i'm doing a little STAFFORD research.
Edward b. 7 apr 1470, son of john.

would this be an error?
He was made a Knight of the Bath in 1475.

found at..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Stafford%2C_2nd_Earl_of_Wiltshire

the ceremony is described here under history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Bath#Knights_of_the_Bath

edward at age 3 was an earl, but would they really make a 5 year old
a knight of bath?

are there other known examples of knighthood being conferred on one
so young?

that is one outside the immediate royal family?

roslyn

I haven't had a chance to research this one yet but:

http://www.knightsofthebath.com/

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From: fayre rose
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: knight of bath age 5?


i was looking for a "research" short cut, hoping forum members could answer the question and/or provide examples. (thank you brian for your input re: edward of york)

earl edward was an orphan. his father died in may of 73, and his mother died in march of 75. he was knighted in april of 75 at the same time e5 was created the prince of wales.

i wonder if earl edward was living with the buckinghams. perhaps he was living with the immediate royal family too. he'd be the same age as the prince. a wonderful playmate of the right social class.

i just did a kinship report on e5, and earl edward. these boys were
2nd cousins, 4th cousins, 4th cousins twice removed, 5th cousins twice removed, 7th cousins once removed and finally 7th cousins twice removed.
(when these two boys played together, they were a family reunion unto itself)

btw, this young earl's father, john was an uncle to harre. (it's so easy to get these folks twisted about) they keep recycling the same names. anyhow, john was the 3rd son to humphrey b.1402 m. anne neville, b. abt 1411. this anne was an older sister to cecily, mother of e4 and r3.

earl edward was a first, third and fourth cousin to buckingham. the young earl eventually married margaret a dau of edward de grey/d'lisle who was e5's master of the horse.

i think the family connections and the boy's lack of surviving parents make it highly likely, e5 and he were lifelong playmates.

anyhow, while writing this response, i think i may have come up with an answer as to why the boy was knighted at age 5.
1. his friend was having a wonderful ceremony.
2. it would help him understand "he was all grown up"
3. a good distraction from the recent loss of his mother.
4. a bit of a belated birthday present.
he was born april 7 and knighted april 17th.

roslyn

Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
There must be a website somewhere with all of the Knights of the Bath on it. Obviously Edward's uncle (Harre Bokyngham) did consider himself to be an immediate Royal but he had children of his own, marginalising the Wiltshires.

----- Original Message -----
From: fayreroze
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:26 AM
Subject: knight of bath age 5?

i'm doing a little STAFFORD research.
Edward b. 7 apr 1470, son of john.

would this be an error?
He was made a Knight of the Bath in 1475.

found at..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Stafford%2C_2nd_Earl_of_Wiltshire

the ceremony is described here under history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Bath#Knights_of_the_Bath

edward at age 3 was an earl, but would they really make a 5 year old
a knight of bath?

are there other known examples of knighthood being conferred on one
so young?

that is one outside the immediate royal family?

roslyn