New Subject - Books

What is everyone else reading at the moment.  Just got a copy of a book on the Dudleys from the library, which is taking time, but very enjoyable. 

Marion

Well, last Monday, I had a class at 7:30, got out of work at 5:00, and needed something to read over coffee in between. In a hurry and running around Barnes & Noble, and not seeing anything else affordable, I paid for Weir's _Children of Henry VIII_. I'm about halfway through. Her writing style in this is extremely heavy, as though she's trying to imitate the style of the period, and this annoys me. I'm not too educated about Edward VI and his time (the Seymours never did much for me), but now I have questions and plan to investigate a very weird incident about Mary Tudor's apparent plan to escape England and a series of events surrounding the actual attempt: they make no sense to me, and the description of Mary Tudor standing in her chamber, half-packed and wailing "what shall become of me" is extremely out of character with the Mary that I see in other scenes. It would be nice if Weir went into this a little and asked a few questions about the validity of the narrator of this adventure, but I guess that's too much to ask.

The last really nice book I've read isn't about "our" period, but it's a lovely, almost comprehensible book about physics and the quantum: it's by Gino Segre, a physicist, and son of physicist Emilio Segre. The book is _Faust in Copenhagen_, and centers around the 1932 annual meeting of young scientists at Niels Bohr's institute. You get lively mini-bios and character sketches of the very eccentric geniuses gathered under this roof; and an explanation of the history and reasons for the progress (and controversies) in physics in the early 1900s. Fascinating stuff: Weir could learn a thing or two about bringing people to life by reading this book.

Maria
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Well, it is summer and time for "summer reading" so I am reading a series of
mystery books written by William X. Kienzle

about a priest who gets involved with solving crimes. It takes place in
Detroit, which is the city close to where I live.

it is interesting to be able to actually recognize some of the locations of
the action!



There are many books in the series and it takes place in the late 1970's and
80's. Funny to see how early use of computers

is treated. No cell phones yet! The author actually was a priest for 20
years but left the priesthood and married. Now he

writes mysteries.



It's not Ricardian but it fun!

L.M.L.,

Janet

Well, I recently read Anne Easter Smith's books--both the first one
with Richard and the second on Margaret--and they were entertaining.
Obviously, they're historical fiction, but I like thinking about these
kind of premises---often creating a scenario is what leads us to the
discoveries that validate it.

I've wondered what the group thinks of the relationship depicted in A
Rose for the Crown, between Richard and Kate (his early partner and
mother of his bastards).....as a woman, it makes me a little crazy!
The idea of loving someone and having a family of sorts with them, and
then just watching them marry someone else! I'll never understand the
times. I wrote about it a little more on my new blog, which I sadly
haven't updated of late (http://www.perrylyn.blogspot.com/).

Anyway, I'm also reading a biography of Napoleon, which at over 1000
pages will take some time. Biographies have revealed history as a
joyful exploration for me, though in school I never found it to be so.

best
melanie

PS--anyone else with a blog care to share? I love reading them when I'm
not chasing my son around!

--- In , Melanie Conklin
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> I've wondered what the group thinks of the relationship depicted in
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> Rose for the Crown, between Richard and Kate (his early partner and
> mother of his bastards).....as a woman, it makes me a little
crazy!
> The idea of loving someone and having a family of sorts with them,
and
> then just watching them marry someone else! I'll never understand
the
> times. I wrote about it a little more on my new blog, which I
sadly
> haven't updated of late (http://www.perrylyn.blogspot.com/).

It's a classic example of 'the past is another country, they do
things differently there.' Though having said that, people having
affairs hasn't exactly died out has it? Richard seems to have been
quite restrained by the standards of his day and (dare I say it?) by
the standards of the English upper classes across the centuries.


best
> melanie
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> PS--anyone else with a blog care to share? I love reading them when
I'm
> not chasing my son around!
>

I've a blog on the House of York at http://yorkistage.blogspot.com/
At present I've only got as far as the early years, Richard II era,
but I am working forward until I get to the Main Man.

Brian W

i've got three on the go at the moment.
vol 2, richard iii by caroline halstead (informative, but you need to be in the right mindset to read it.)
 
an online book, the chronicles of enguerrand monstrelet available via google.
http://books.google.com/books?id=yNkFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA142&lpg=PA142&dq=obsequies+estouteville&source=web&ots=-E_z0wF3gk&sig=HIRIk7hjOAWO7JZygKe4JM2bB-4#PPP1,M1
 
quite an entertaining historical read with wonderful little tidbits of trivia. i.e. a comet passed by at the time louis xi became king..1461. it was thought to be a good omen. it is interesting to note, e4 was settling into his kingship at that time. both men died within months of each other in 1483. louis was about 20 years older than e4.
 
and last but not least, a rambling and often boring slog, a historical fiction on louis xi by schoonover. it is supposed to be well researched. i've learned how they made cannon in the 15thC, and that full length mirrors were a novelty, and somewhat scarey. i.e did they steal your soul, were they a tool of the devil because they reversed your image?
 
nonetheless, all three books are worth the read. they come in handy while waiting for doctor appointments (louis xi) or travelling (halstead..no distractions/interuptions). i read the online chronicle when insomia hits. easy on the eyes, because it can be enlarged.
roslyn

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, marion cheatham <marioncheatham2003@...> wrote:

From: marion cheatham <marioncheatham2003@...>
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What is everyone else reading at the moment.  Just got a copy of a book on the Dudleys from the library, which is taking time, but very enjoyable. 

Marion

I mean to buy Sarah Griswood's "Arbella" soon as Sceptred Isle are discussing the succession to Elizabeth I at present.

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From: fayre rose
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Subject: Re: New Subject - Books


i've got three on the go at the moment.
vol 2, richard iii by caroline halstead (informative, but you need to be in the right mindset to read it.)

an online book, the chronicles of enguerrand monstrelet available via google.
http://books.google.com/books?id=yNkFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA142&lpg=PA142&dq=obsequies+estouteville&source=web&ots=-E_z0wF3gk&sig=HIRIk7hjOAWO7JZygKe4JM2bB-4#PPP1,M1

quite an entertaining historical read with wonderful little tidbits of trivia. i.e. a comet passed by at the time louis xi became king..1461. it was thought to be a good omen. it is interesting to note, e4 was settling into his kingship at that time. both men died within months of each other in 1483. louis was about 20 years older than e4.

and last but not least, a rambling and often boring slog, a historical fiction on louis xi by schoonover. it is supposed to be well researched. i've learned how they made cannon in the 15thC, and that full length mirrors were a novelty, and somewhat scarey. i.e did they steal your soul, were they a tool of the devil because they reversed your image?

nonetheless, all three books are worth the read. they come in handy while waiting for doctor appointments (louis xi) or travelling (halstead..no distractions/interuptions). i read the online chronicle when insomia hits. easy on the eyes, because it can be enlarged.
roslyn

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, marion cheatham <marioncheatham2003@...> wrote:

From: marion cheatham <marioncheatham2003@...>
Subject: New Subject - Books
To:
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What is everyone else reading at the moment. Just got a copy of a book on the Dudleys from the library, which is taking time, but very enjoyable.

Marion

i recently bought william camden's princess elizabeth/selected chapters, edited by maccaffrey in a second hand shop for 6 dollars or about 3 brit pounds. it's on my to read list. i also picked up one on bloody mary too, and h8's court. and sunne in splendor. i'm getting buried in my library. now about 10 to read books..including the ecomium of r3 (thin) and geo buck (fat) it's a good thing i've got a fair amount of travelling ahead of me this summer.
 
almost all of my purchases have been nonfiction and secondhand. i felt i'd give the fiction writers a chance too, to see if they had some facts not found in the nonfiction aisle. i do love trivia. this is one reason i think i enjoy researching richard so much. loads of interesting tidbits of info. they give colour to him and his era.
 
imagine committing suicide by hanging yourself privately, and your corpse's punishment is a public hanging...found in the monstrelet chronicle. the medieval mindset is intriguing to say the least.
 
roslyn

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I mean to buy Sarah Griswood's "Arbella" soon as Sceptred Isle are discussing the succession to Elizabeth I at present.

----- Original Message -----
From: fayre rose
To: richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: New Subject - Books

i've got three on the go at the moment.
vol 2, richard iii by caroline halstead (informative, but you need to be in the right mindset to read it.)

an online book, the chronicles of enguerrand monstrelet available via google.
http://books. google.com/ books?id= yNkFAAAAQAAJ& pg=PA142& lpg=PA142& dq=obsequies+ estouteville& source=web& ots=-E_z0wF3gk& sig=HIRIk7hjOAWO 7JZygKe4JM2bB- 4#PPP1,M1

quite an entertaining historical read with wonderful little tidbits of trivia. i.e. a comet passed by at the time louis xi became king..1461. it was thought to be a good omen. it is interesting to note, e4 was settling into his kingship at that time. both men died within months of each other in 1483. louis was about 20 years older than e4.

and last but not least, a rambling and often boring slog, a historical fiction on louis xi by schoonover. it is supposed to be well researched. i've learned how they made cannon in the 15thC, and that full length mirrors were a novelty, and somewhat scarey. i.e did they steal your soul, were they a tool of the devil because they reversed your image?

nonetheless, all three books are worth the read. they come in handy while waiting for doctor appointments (louis xi) or travelling (halstead..no distractions/ interuptions) . i read the online chronicle when insomia hits. easy on the eyes, because it can be enlarged.
roslyn

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, marion cheatham <marioncheatham2003@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: marion cheatham <marioncheatham2003@ yahoo.com>
Subject: New Subject - Books
To: richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
Received: Friday, June 20, 2008, 10:05 AM

What is everyone else reading at the moment. Just got a copy of a book on the Dudleys from the library, which is taking time, but very enjoyable.

Marion

I read somewhere that Under the Hog, by Patrick Carleton is still one of the best of
Ricardian fiction (it was first published in 1938) - I thought that "We speak No Treason"
would take some beating - anyway got a second hand copy from Amazon for 45p! I am
galloping through it as It is very good and I would recommend it to anyone who
reads/enjoys Ricardian fiction. If the book is well written, it is easy to think, "is this the
way it could have happened" - and several times I have found myself thinking exactly that
while reading this book especially the pages describing the scene where Richard had
Rivers arrested and was attempting to explain things/win over to the young Prince. Not to
mention the desmise of Clarence, Ankarette Twynho and what led Hastings to betray
Richard. Highly recommended.
Eileen






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> i recently bought william camden's princess elizabeth/selected chapters, edited by
maccaffrey in a second hand shop for 6 dollars or about 3 brit pounds. it's on my to read
list. i also picked up one on bloody mary too, and h8's court. and sunne in splendor. i'm
getting buried in my library. now about 10 to read books..including the ecomium of r3
(thin) and geo buck (fat) it's a good thing i've got a fair amount of travelling ahead of me
this summer.
>  
> almost all of my purchases have been nonfiction and secondhand. i felt i'd give the
fiction writers a chance too, to see if they had some facts not found in the nonfiction aisle.
i do love trivia. this is one reason i think i enjoy researching richard so much. loads of
interesting tidbits of info. they give colour to him and his era.
>  
> imagine committing suicide by hanging yourself privately, and your corpse's punishment
is a public hanging...found in the monstrelet chronicle. the medieval mindset is intriguing
to say the least.
>  
> roslyn
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> --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
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> From: Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...>
> Subject: Re: New Subject - Books
> To:
> Received: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 1:33 PM
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> I mean to buy Sarah Griswood's "Arbella" soon as Sceptred Isle are discussing the
succession to Elizabeth I at present.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fayre rose
> To: richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: New Subject - Books
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> i've got three on the go at the moment.
> vol 2, richard iii by caroline halstead (informative, but you need to be in the right
mindset to read it.)
>
> an online book, the chronicles of enguerrand monstrelet available via google.
> http://books. google.com/ books?id= yNkFAAAAQAAJ& pg=PA142& lpg=PA142&
dq=obsequies+ estouteville& source=web& ots=-E_z0wF3gk& sig=HIRIk7hjOAWO
7JZygKe4JM2bB- 4#PPP1,M1
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> quite an entertaining historical read with wonderful little tidbits of trivia. i.e. a comet
passed by at the time louis xi became king..1461. it was thought to be a good omen. it is
interesting to note, e4 was settling into his kingship at that time. both men died within
months of each other in 1483. louis was about 20 years older than e4.
>
> and last but not least, a rambling and often boring slog, a historical fiction on louis xi by
schoonover. it is supposed to be well researched. i've learned how they made cannon in
the 15thC, and that full length mirrors were a novelty, and somewhat scarey. i.e did they
steal your soul, were they a tool of the devil because they reversed your image?
>
> nonetheless, all three books are worth the read. they come in handy while waiting for
doctor appointments (louis xi) or travelling (halstead..no distractions/ interuptions) . i
read the online chronicle when insomia hits. easy on the eyes, because it can be enlarged.
> roslyn
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> --- On Fri, 6/20/08, marion cheatham <marioncheatham2003@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Subject: New Subject - Books
> To: richardiiisocietyfo rum@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Friday, June 20, 2008, 10:05 AM
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Hi all - long time lurker, totally infrequent poster here :-)

I'm actually reading "the White Boar", by Marian Palmer at the moment. I
discovered that a not-quite-local library had it, so was able to
persuade a friend who belongs to that library to borrow it for me. It
was published in 1968, so I'm finding the style a bit old fashioned
(I've been reading mostly modern stuff lately *cough chiclit cough* so
it is taking a bit of getting used to. I've realised that the sentances
are often structured in an unusual way, with words in a different order
to that I would have used if I'd been the writer. Some I've had to read
several times to get the sense of them. Still, it is an interesting yarn.
Oh, Eileen, I'm quite envious! I'd love to get my hands on a copy of
Under the Hog.

Lynda

marion cheatham wrote:
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> What is everyone else reading at the moment. Just got a copy of a
> book on the Dudleys from the library, which is taking time, but very
> enjoyable.
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try www.bookfinder.com to shop on line. new and used.
 
also, check one of your local secondhand bookstores, and ask if they can get you a copy. check bookfinder first..that way you'll know if your are getting a reasonable deal.
 
roslyn

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From: Lynda Bowers <lynlynz@...>
Subject: Re: New Subject - Books
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Hi all - long time lurker, totally infrequent poster here :-)

I'm actually reading "the White Boar", by Marian Palmer at the moment. I
discovered that a not-quite-local library had it, so was able to
persuade a friend who belongs to that library to borrow it for me. It
was published in 1968, so I'm finding the style a bit old fashioned
(I've been reading mostly modern stuff lately *cough chiclit cough* so
it is taking a bit of getting used to. I've realised that the sentances
are often structured in an unusual way, with words in a different order
to that I would have used if I'd been the writer. Some I've had to read
several times to get the sense of them. Still, it is an interesting yarn.
Oh, Eileen, I'm quite envious! I'd love to get my hands on a copy of
Under the Hog.

Lynda

marion cheatham wrote:
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> What is everyone else reading at the moment. Just got a copy of a
> book on the Dudleys from the library, which is taking time, but very
> enjoyable.
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> Marion
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--- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
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> try www.bookfinder.com to shop on line. new and used.
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> also, check one of your local secondhand bookstores, and ask if they
can get you a copy. check bookfinder first..that way you'll know if
your are getting a reasonable deal.
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> roslyn


Another very good online source is http://www.addall.com/

Katy

On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:05 AM, marion cheatham wrote:

> What is everyone else reading at the moment. Just got a copy of a
> book on the Dudleys from the library, which is taking time, but
> very enjoyable.
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> Marion

I've been trying to slop my way through "Roses are White," by Lesley
Lambert but other things keep cropping up.

Gilda
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You PAID for Weir Maria? When did you lose your sanity? :-)
Paul


On 20 Jun 2008, at 15:30, Maria wrote:

> Well, last Monday, I had a class at 7:30, got out of work at 5:00,
> and needed something to read over coffee in between. In a hurry
> and running around Barnes & Noble, and not seeing anything else
> affordable, I paid for Weir's _Children of Henry VIII_. I'm about
> halfway through. Her writing style in this is extremely heavy, as
> though she's trying to imitate the style of the period, and this
> annoys me. I'm not too educated about Edward VI and his time (the
> Seymours never did much for me), but now I have questions and plan
> to investigate a very weird incident about Mary Tudor's apparent
> plan to escape England and a series of events surrounding the
> actual attempt: they make no sense to me, and the description of
> Mary Tudor standing in her chamber, half-packed and wailing "what
> shall become of me" is extremely out of character with the Mary
> that I see in other scenes. It would be nice if Weir went into
> this a little and asked a few questions about the validity of the
> narrator of this adventure, but I guess that's too much to ask.
>
> The last really nice book I've read isn't about "our" period, but
> it's a lovely, almost comprehensible book about physics and the
> quantum: it's by Gino Segre, a physicist, and son of physicist
> Emilio Segre. The book is _Faust in Copenhagen_, and centers
> around the 1932 annual meeting of young scientists at Niels Bohr's
> institute. You get lively mini-bios and character sketches of the
> very eccentric geniuses gathered under this roof; and an
> explanation of the history and reasons for the progress (and
> controversies) in physics in the early 1900s. Fascinating stuff:
> Weir could learn a thing or two about bringing people to life by
> reading this book.
>
> Maria
> elena@...
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>> Sent: Jun 20, 2008 10:05 AM
>> To:
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--- In , Lynda Bowers
<lynlynz@...> wrote:
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> Hi all - long time lurker, totally infrequent poster here :-)
>
> I'm actually reading "the White Boar", by Marian Palmer at the moment.
I
> discovered that a not-quite-local library had it, so was able to
> persuade a friend who belongs to that library to borrow it for me. It
> was published in 1968, so I'm finding the style a bit old fashioned
> (I've been reading mostly modern stuff lately *cough chiclit cough* so
> it is taking a bit of getting used to. I've realised that the
sentances
> are often structured in an unusual way, with words in a different
order
> to that I would have used if I'd been the writer. Some I've had to
read
> several times to get the sense of them. Still, it is an interesting
yarn.
> Oh, Eileen, I'm quite envious! I'd love to get my hands on a copy of
> Under the Hog.
>
> Lynda
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> marion cheatham wrote:
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> > What is everyone else reading at the moment. Just got a copy of a
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> > enjoyable.
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> Oh, Eileen, I'm quite envious! I'd love to get my hands on a copy of
> Under the Hog.
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Hi Lynda - I got my copy from Amazon UK for 47 pence (which is slightly less than $1)
plus postage - and there are still some copies left at that price but the American Amazon
also have some for $14.
Eileen
Oh yeah, I dont like the ending :-{
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