White Lackington (Anne and Stephen)
White Lackington (Anne and Stephen)
2008-07-09 17:32:36
james) 12th Century public records regarding the commissioning of White Lackington state:
QUOTE) Our earliest notice is to be found in the acts of Bishop Reginald (1174-91) creating the prebends of Holcombe, White Lackington, Timberscombe, in the cathedral church of Wells. These gifts are witnessed among others by Walter, Prior of 'Berliz' or Barlynch
It was White Lackington during the reign of John Lackland, King of England c1199 - 1216 -- and it is White Lackington today.
james
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Stephen wrote) Can I also add that I find this "Lackington" etymology rather contrived?
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QUOTE) Our earliest notice is to be found in the acts of Bishop Reginald (1174-91) creating the prebends of Holcombe, White Lackington, Timberscombe, in the cathedral church of Wells. These gifts are witnessed among others by Walter, Prior of 'Berliz' or Barlynch
It was White Lackington during the reign of John Lackland, King of England c1199 - 1216 -- and it is White Lackington today.
james
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Stephen wrote) Can I also add that I find this "Lackington" etymology rather contrived?
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Re: White Lackington (Anne and Stephen)
2008-07-09 22:12:28
An interesting quote - I take it that you now consider a lack of evidence of the village being so named earlier to be conclusive evidence against.
I think that you have jumped to a conclusion because:
1) John was born in 1167. By this time, his elder brother William (1153-6) had already died. Young Henry died in 1183, Geoffrey in 1186 and their father in 1189, the two eldest sons leaving no heirs so the "Lackland" nickname must have been early in John's life.
2) Humour just wasn't so sophisticated eight centuries ago. The influential families in England spoke Norman-French so John would have been called "Sansterre" in his lifetime - was the village called Sansington, perhaps? Yet "White Lackington" was it's name by 1191 (the death of Bishop Reginald) as you have proven.
For comparison, the Saxon king Edmund died in 946 and there is now a town named "Bury St. Edmunds" but it would not have been called that then because the English language has changed drastically in 962 years. Ethelred II was named "Unraed" (bad counsel) in his lifetime (to 1014) but the popular sobriquet "the Unready" has emerged far more recently.
"It must be so" just will not do without proof positive or proof against all other options and I contend that you have provided neither.
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From: james bowles
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Subject: White Lackington (Anne and Stephen)
james) 12th Century public records regarding the commissioning of White Lackington state:
QUOTE) Our earliest notice is to be found in the acts of Bishop Reginald (1174-91) creating the prebends of Holcombe, White Lackington, Timberscombe, in the cathedral church of Wells. These gifts are witnessed among others by Walter, Prior of 'Berliz' or Barlynch
It was White Lackington during the reign of John Lackland, King of England c1199 - 1216 -- and it is White Lackington today.
james
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Stephen wrote) Can I also add that I find this "Lackington" etymology rather contrived?
/
I think that you have jumped to a conclusion because:
1) John was born in 1167. By this time, his elder brother William (1153-6) had already died. Young Henry died in 1183, Geoffrey in 1186 and their father in 1189, the two eldest sons leaving no heirs so the "Lackland" nickname must have been early in John's life.
2) Humour just wasn't so sophisticated eight centuries ago. The influential families in England spoke Norman-French so John would have been called "Sansterre" in his lifetime - was the village called Sansington, perhaps? Yet "White Lackington" was it's name by 1191 (the death of Bishop Reginald) as you have proven.
For comparison, the Saxon king Edmund died in 946 and there is now a town named "Bury St. Edmunds" but it would not have been called that then because the English language has changed drastically in 962 years. Ethelred II was named "Unraed" (bad counsel) in his lifetime (to 1014) but the popular sobriquet "the Unready" has emerged far more recently.
"It must be so" just will not do without proof positive or proof against all other options and I contend that you have provided neither.
----- Original Message -----
From: james bowles
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: White Lackington (Anne and Stephen)
james) 12th Century public records regarding the commissioning of White Lackington state:
QUOTE) Our earliest notice is to be found in the acts of Bishop Reginald (1174-91) creating the prebends of Holcombe, White Lackington, Timberscombe, in the cathedral church of Wells. These gifts are witnessed among others by Walter, Prior of 'Berliz' or Barlynch
It was White Lackington during the reign of John Lackland, King of England c1199 - 1216 -- and it is White Lackington today.
james
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Stephen wrote) Can I also add that I find this "Lackington" etymology rather contrived?
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